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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:47 - Mar 25 with 3574 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:40 - Mar 25 by pioneer
"Total options" it is then in two weeks time?
I am still not convinced it will happen unless that contract has break clauses...but highly unlikely any break clauses would cover the current situation (just missing play offs, just missing wembley final...should they happen)
I think he is here for the forseeable future.
I dont actually think there is anybody in the club who knows any better so therefore the status quo will remain ,the results will be what they will be .Thats the joke position we are in as a club ,plenty of cash and no in depth knowledge of running a football club.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:54 - Mar 25 with 3408 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:47 - Mar 25 by Porkydale64
I dont actually think there is anybody in the club who knows any better so therefore the status quo will remain ,the results will be what they will be .Thats the joke position we are in as a club ,plenty of cash and no in depth knowledge of running a football club.
That's precisely how it is
As i asked some time ago, who would know how to bring in a different coach/manager? It seems as if the Ogdens were relying on SG for this type of thing, without understanding (at the time) just how green he was in these matters
But that's where we are... it could be glory, still; but looking increasingly unlikely. I take no pleasure in that whatsoever
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:54 - Mar 25 by D_Alien
That's precisely how it is
As i asked some time ago, who would know how to bring in a different coach/manager? It seems as if the Ogdens were relying on SG for this type of thing, without understanding (at the time) just how green he was in these matters
But that's where we are... it could be glory, still; but looking increasingly unlikely. I take no pleasure in that whatsoever
Whether we stick or twist, we absolutely have to get a Director of football in to assist with preparation for next season.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:57 - Mar 25 with 3324 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:57 - Mar 25 by Rodingdale
Whether we stick or twist, we absolutely have to get a Director of football in to assist with preparation for next season.
Maidenhead was pretty poor ,TVOS said tonight this was worse ,im glad tuesdays are an issue for me after a full days work,where does a director of football change the way we play or the intensity / belief in which we play. His job (i dont really know what his true job is ) is for preparation ? in what ?
For what its worth (not much ) id sack the gaffer and put Henderson in charge till the end of the season,go out on his footballing career in a blaze of glory .(or not but go out fighting) We are limping to a whimpering end of a non descript season with no or to little entertainment but plenty of money spent.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:25 - Mar 25 with 2827 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:45 - Mar 25 by JimmyRustler
The problem is they want him in.
They offered him the most generous contract extension ever as they bought into the ex player and cares about the club spiel.
This is his first managerial job and it’s quite obvious from his tenure.
The off the field project is absolutely fking moot if we don’t offer up a product on the pitch that enthrals and persuaded people to buy season tickets,
If the owners are genuine about their vision, they need to have a long, hard think. I do however think the timing of sacking him now would do more harm than good. They could do a lot worse than keep him on and just keep feeding him the rope so he can continue to hang himself
It doesn't even need to be framed in such harsh terms. Jim McNulty, like any manager or head coach, should ultimately be judged on results. If those results, over the course of the season, fail to deliver success (or meet the board's objectives), then parting ways becomes inevitable — and McNulty himself would accept that.
Tonight wasn’t about boring football or a lack of entertainment (York fans, and perhaps a few sadists, certainly got their share of excitement). It was about a completely inept and timid performance. If we keep seeing results like this, we won’t meet any of our objectives, and any boardroom talk will shift from entertainment to inevitable change.
McNulty really is the worst manager that I can remember in the 39 years that I've been watching Dale considering the performances that we are putting in at this terrible level.
Isn't Hill working with his son's team in the Academy? Or whatever we have left of the Academy.
Hill to the end of the season, I know that it would divide the fan base but it's got to be better than the crap that McNulty is currently serving up
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:33 - Mar 25 with 2701 views
After about 20 minutes York realised that should they utilise their obvious ability and interchange positions, we’d have no answer.
Why? Because we are so obsessed with a formation that offer no tactical challenges to an opposition who are prepared to ignore it. Our midfielders can’t interchange, because we only have two. The one most capable of playing across different areas, Burger, back to being out of the squad. It is becoming a running joke that we’ve never even tried a midfield three this season, and other teams don’t even have to think about how we might line up.
Style of play, centre forwards who change the whole look of the team, comprehensive wins against teams who can’t deal with how we set up mean little if we have no answers to those who can because the manager appears unwilling to be creative tactically (bar those two instances late in games against Tamworth and Boston.)
The recruitment has compounded this, again on McNulty’s choices when we’ve not even looked to replace Henry and virtually ignored the only other player to play in midfield outside Gilmour and East.
A few weeks ago we had a cup match on the horizon and a run of league games which, if had gone badly, would have seen the manager being in big trouble. No matter what we all might think, as it was then the phrase “results business” will be the only measure that counts.
When you continue along a much worn path of predictability it probably won’t end well. Infuriating.
York very strong. Not Barnet strong but competent in all areas and sharp up front.
First goal was a great first time sharp cross and poachers finish. Second was Gilmour fairly getting mugged (after their lad had unfairly mugged him a couple of times) Third was Ayinde losing the ball when he should never have been passed to in the first place (see Rochdale DNA ad infinitum comments). Then a bit of keystone cops. Fourth was a procession.
At our best, without stupid mistakes, we could theoretically just about live with York (no laughing please). At our worst, riddled with mistakes, you get what we saw tonight.
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:27 - Mar 25 by Clivert
Spennymoor will be licking their lips!
McNulty really is the worst manager that I can remember in the 39 years that I've been watching Dale considering the performances that we are putting in at this terrible level.
Isn't Hill working with his son's team in the Academy? Or whatever we have left of the Academy.
Hill to the end of the season, I know that it would divide the fan base but it's got to be better than the crap that McNulty is currently serving up
[Post edited 25 Mar 22:28]
But he wasn’t the worst on here after the wins recently! There’s no disputing how some of his decisions have been consistently poor, but he’s recruited some good players and overseen some good displays during one of the most difficult periods in the clubs history. By no measuring stick, outside of personal opinion, does he fit the worst.
See above for how he’s failing, but he isn’t as bad a manager as Barrow and Bentley for starters when it comes to sending out teams who were absolutely awful to watch. Then there’s Alan Buckley who created a feeling of apathy amongst fans and seemingly his own team. Steve Eyre not as bad as McNulty? Nope, not in my book.
This terrible level isn’t any worse than some of what we faced under those managers either. The 96-99 period in bottom division was full of a lot of rubbish.
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:25 - Mar 25 by fitzochris
It doesn't even need to be framed in such harsh terms. Jim McNulty, like any manager or head coach, should ultimately be judged on results. If those results, over the course of the season, fail to deliver success (or meet the board's objectives), then parting ways becomes inevitable — and McNulty himself would accept that.
Tonight wasn’t about boring football or a lack of entertainment (York fans, and perhaps a few sadists, certainly got their share of excitement). It was about a completely inept and timid performance. If we keep seeing results like this, we won’t meet any of our objectives, and any boardroom talk will shift from entertainment to inevitable change.
But if we sneak into the playoffs and make Wembley, it can be judged as an objectively good season based on results. The truth however is much more nuanced than that which is why I mentioned about entertainment and on the pitch product as even if we do achieve the aforementioned objectives, I can see us losing ST holders as opposed to gaining them (which is exactly the opposite of project 5000)
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:50 - Mar 25 with 2446 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:39 - Mar 25 by Daley_Lama
York very strong. Not Barnet strong but competent in all areas and sharp up front.
First goal was a great first time sharp cross and poachers finish. Second was Gilmour fairly getting mugged (after their lad had unfairly mugged him a couple of times) Third was Ayinde losing the ball when he should never have been passed to in the first place (see Rochdale DNA ad infinitum comments). Then a bit of keystone cops. Fourth was a procession.
At our best, without stupid mistakes, we could theoretically just about live with York (no laughing please). At our worst, riddled with mistakes, you get what we saw tonight.
Oh well. Aldershot next.
Keystone Cops made me laugh. Thanks, I needed that
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:56 - Mar 25 with 2374 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:47 - Mar 25 by JimmyRustler
But if we sneak into the playoffs and make Wembley, it can be judged as an objectively good season based on results. The truth however is much more nuanced than that which is why I mentioned about entertainment and on the pitch product as even if we do achieve the aforementioned objectives, I can see us losing ST holders as opposed to gaining them (which is exactly the opposite of project 5000)
That’s an argument I’m fully on board with. It’s all about perception and not totally convinced which way it will go.
Taking a look on here as a barometer (not necessarily the best!) after those wins, those who have been most critical were praiseworthy and hopeful of consistent positive change. Imagine (!) if we win the next two in the league and then the cup semi, the euphoria of Wembley and a play off spot would, history shows us, see a similar swing again.
Now I really believe some fans will be entrenched in their view now, which is their prerogative of course and those ST sales could be impacted by all the shortcomings we’ve all gone through and agree on. But in your scenario we could also gain fans from a trip to Wembley and a playoff campaign.
Newer, prospective fans ain’t going to be put off by those home games which have been dull over this campaign… because they probably won’t have seen them! It’s the regulars affected right now. Nuanced is exactly the word though!
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:44 - Mar 25 by 442Dale
But he wasn’t the worst on here after the wins recently! There’s no disputing how some of his decisions have been consistently poor, but he’s recruited some good players and overseen some good displays during one of the most difficult periods in the clubs history. By no measuring stick, outside of personal opinion, does he fit the worst.
See above for how he’s failing, but he isn’t as bad a manager as Barrow and Bentley for starters when it comes to sending out teams who were absolutely awful to watch. Then there’s Alan Buckley who created a feeling of apathy amongst fans and seemingly his own team. Steve Eyre not as bad as McNulty? Nope, not in my book.
This terrible level isn’t any worse than some of what we faced under those managers either. The 96-99 period in bottom division was full of a lot of rubbish.
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We've gained 1 point in the last 7 days against two part teams and York who have been stuck in this league for over 20 years.
Barrow is the yard stick used for shiteness for Dale fans on of a certain age, Jim trumps him.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:59 - Mar 25 with 2340 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:47 - Mar 25 by JimmyRustler
But if we sneak into the playoffs and make Wembley, it can be judged as an objectively good season based on results. The truth however is much more nuanced than that which is why I mentioned about entertainment and on the pitch product as even if we do achieve the aforementioned objectives, I can see us losing ST holders as opposed to gaining them (which is exactly the opposite of project 5000)
Right but that’s where I have an issue, as reaching Wembley and getting into the play-offs, for me personally, would mark success and would be the result of winning games. Something we all want Dale to do?
Again, that’s my personal opinion, and others clearly disagree, but for McNulty to be sacked after achieving that would be unfair.
I’ve just read 442’s post above and he’s right. Us supporters have sat through some right dross historically and I shudder when I recall some of it. None of it came with play-offs or Wembley either. Perhaps general expectations of product have increased well beyond my own, but I just want to see a winning team and I’m not particularly fussed how it’s done.
Where we can all be in unanimous agreement is that tonight was nowhere near good enough and I don’t want to see that again. Barnet was supposed to be an outlier, let’s hope it wasn’t the start of a pattern.
There needs to be a relaxation of rigidity of formation for a start and a target man and no.9 brought in before the end of the week! I know. More chance of a rocking horse taking a shit. But that’s what we need.
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:58 - Mar 25 by Clivert
We've gained 1 point in the last 7 days against two part teams and York who have been stuck in this league for over 20 years.
Barrow is the yard stick used for shiteness for Dale fans on of a certain age, Jim trumps him.
[Post edited 26 Mar 6:17]
How was Eyre better? Or Buckley? Or Bentley?
Were Maidenhead and Boston worse than some of the dross we’ve faced down the years? Or is it all about the division they’re in? Boston looked a good side last week and beat a resurgent Southend tonight. York have spent decent money and look a really good team. Signing Stones made them weaker it seems.
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:59 - Mar 25 by fitzochris
Right but that’s where I have an issue, as reaching Wembley and getting into the play-offs, for me personally, would mark success and would be the result of winning games. Something we all want Dale to do?
Again, that’s my personal opinion, and others clearly disagree, but for McNulty to be sacked after achieving that would be unfair.
I’ve just read 442’s post above and he’s right. Us supporters have sat through some right dross historically and I shudder when I recall some of it. None of it came with play-offs or Wembley either. Perhaps general expectations of product have increased well beyond my own, but I just want to see a winning team and I’m not particularly fussed how it’s done.
Where we can all be in unanimous agreement is that tonight was nowhere near good enough and I don’t want to see that again. Barnet was supposed to be an outlier, let’s hope it wasn’t the start of a pattern.
There needs to be a relaxation of rigidity of formation for a start and a target man and no.9 brought in before the end of the week! I know. More chance of a rocking horse taking a shit. But that’s what we need.
Success is certainly relative and as I say, objectively, you would have a hard time arguing that wouldn’t be a successful season.
But I think we need to look at the bigger picture in terms of the long term aim which is ultimately, to get us back to the FL.
I asked the same question of 442 the other day but I will also put it to you, do you think McNulty is the man to lead us out of the National League?
To me, there are at least a couple of parts to that:
1) Is he capable of putting a squad together which is good enough to get us out of the division?
On balance, I would say that he probably is. He has brought some decent players in and I honestly don’t think the squad is half bad at all.
2) Does he have the nous and tactical ability to employ a successful system which will utilise said players to the best of their potential?
I don’t believe this to be true. Over the last decade or so, we have been famed for finding diamonds in the rough or at least improving players who then may or may not move onto better things. I don’t think that Jim improves players and I’m tempted to say that he does the opposite.
I think our midfield is a good example of this. When Gilmour and East came in, it made me realise how much we had missed a midfield who were not only ready to receive the ball but who were also willing to drive forwards. I feel that he has coached this out of them to the point where they receive the ball and immediately look backwards or in the best case scenario, sideways.
Ultimately, I just can’t see Jim ever taking us up. And a cup run to the final of a “tinpot” trophy which in the grand scheme of things means very little wouldn’t be enough to change my mind. If we are to make it to the playoffs, I have absolutely no faith in Jim’s ability as a manager to take us all the way.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:30 - Mar 25 with 2094 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:09 - Mar 25 by 442Dale
How was Eyre better? Or Buckley? Or Bentley?
Were Maidenhead and Boston worse than some of the dross we’ve faced down the years? Or is it all about the division they’re in? Boston looked a good side last week and beat a resurgent Southend tonight. York have spent decent money and look a really good team. Signing Stones made them weaker it seems.
Their league or none league position more like would probably suggest yes they are worse, we're currently very poor in a really shit league
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:38 - Mar 25 with 2026 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:30 - Mar 25 by nordenblue
Their league or none league position more like would probably suggest yes they are worse, we're currently very poor in a really shit league
So it’s all about division?
Boston were, on witnessing them last week, a much better team than Doncaster in 97/98 when we had Barrow in charge. We have a much better team now than the one Barrow assembled too. York, having seen them twice this season, are a much better footballing side than the Macclesfield team that won promotion not losing a home game during that campaign.
Gilmour and East in midfield may have limitations because of how their manager employs them every week but they’re infinitely better than one containing Sean McClare.
It’s revisionist history on the back of an awful display. It wasn’t the message portrayed on the back of good displays because it wasn’t the case then and it isn’t now.
Video Nasty. Jim says 'you get what you pay for' - we didn't against Ebbsfleet and Maidenhead, its really starting to irk now he mentions budgets every time we lose to a team 'with clout'.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:45 - Mar 25 by dingdangblue
Video Nasty. Jim says 'you get what you pay for' - we didn't against Ebbsfleet and Maidenhead, its really starting to irk now he mentions budgets every time we lose to a team 'with clout'.
Must be really encouraging for our players to know that they aren't real deals and are just compromises.
1) Pitches 2) Officials 3) Budgets 4) Schedule
All four seem to be ready made excuses after every game, one is just picked at random (other than budget for anyone who's above us in the league) of which every team in the league goes through at least 3 of them. There's never any responsibility taken.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 00:09 - Mar 26 with 1830 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:27 - Mar 25 by Clivert
Spennymoor will be licking their lips!
McNulty really is the worst manager that I can remember in the 39 years that I've been watching Dale considering the performances that we are putting in at this terrible level.
Isn't Hill working with his son's team in the Academy? Or whatever we have left of the Academy.
Hill to the end of the season, I know that it would divide the fan base but it's got to be better than the crap that McNulty is currently serving up
[Post edited 25 Mar 22:28]
Never mind Keith Hill - I'd take Benny Hill after that performance tonight!
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 00:03 - Mar 26 by DaleFan7
Must be really encouraging for our players to know that they aren't real deals and are just compromises.
1) Pitches 2) Officials 3) Budgets 4) Schedule
All four seem to be ready made excuses after every game, one is just picked at random (other than budget for anyone who's above us in the league) of which every team in the league goes through at least 3 of them. There's never any responsibility taken.
I must confess that quite early into the season, I stopped listening to his diatribe.
He had a couple of not so subtle dig at the fans in that interview, is that commonplace or a new thing?
That clip certainly reminded me why I stopped and why I’ll be giving them a miss moving forward
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 00:38 - Mar 26 with 1670 views
FRMSE and BBM's historically bad home league record (both in League 1) are worse than what McNulty has offered in the National League by a long way.
But.... we are weaker than water and tactically set in stone. This team is so lightweight in challenges and going forward. Jim clearly hasn't worked out the blatantly obvious need for physicality in this league and has signed a dozen or more small, samey players that fit his vision but not this league. Horses for courses hasn't entered his head. Jay Bird was an exception and made a welcome, positive, difference. Easier to rant on about opponents budgets than available money wasted on your own inadequate signings. Ranting about a "home record" after we've seen capitulation v Barnet and York, and embarrassment against Boston and Ebbsfleet convinces nobody, Greg. Ratcliffes was full before half time v Ebbsfleet, the game was that bad. Watching hardcore fans, faces you see week in week out walk out so early tonight, given such a low home attendance, speaks volumes about the football on display. McNulty's excuses don't mask what we see any more. He's failing badly. He has got an upturn in form out of this lot before, but with Bird and Waller out, and not having prepared adequate replacements, can he do so again? Doubt it.
We're being asked to sell Dale to family, workmates, fellow drinkers and friends etc etc and spread the word for the Spennymoor game. "But you lost 0-4 at home again". Makes it a difficult sell, doesn't it?
By teatime on 5th April, we'll have a better idea of this managers future.
We had a situation a few years back of "managed relegation". Cynically, are we in the throes of "managed play-off avoidance" ?
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