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We definitely should have seen it out and our decision making, on and off the pitch could have been in better in the second half. But it was far from embarrassing with that team and all the injuries. It was incredibly disappointing and two points dropped.
At no stage did we overplay or shoot ourselves in the foot with our football, more a case of not being decisive and ensuring we played twenty yards further up the pitch.
Thought Weston did well and the back three too in the main until the last five minutes. Selections didn’t cost us today, our game management did.
I’m not making McNulty’s excuses for him, and it was the same for both teams, but don’t underestimate how bloody awful that pitch was. |
One bad defensive mistake.
And if thay didn't happen most would be saying that was a great hard earned result . It was tough game for the lads. Thought they put more effort in than in previous games .Against a big physical akward side. |  | |  |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 21:56 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
We definitely should have seen it out and our decision making, on and off the pitch could have been in better in the second half. But it was far from embarrassing with that team and all the injuries. It was incredibly disappointing and two points dropped.
At no stage did we overplay or shoot ourselves in the foot with our football, more a case of not being decisive and ensuring we played twenty yards further up the pitch.
Thought Weston did well and the back three too in the main until the last five minutes. Selections didn’t cost us today, our game management did.
I’m not making McNulty’s excuses for him, and it was the same for both teams, but don’t underestimate how bloody awful that pitch was. |
Sorry, we did start to overplay, at one point Allarakia opted to turn back towards our goal instead of playing it forward, he ran straight into a Woking player who robbed him and started a break for them.
All this mention of the pitch, as if it’s somehow a surprise. We’re playing in the fifth tier on merit, the pitches aren’t going to be bowling greens we know that; and the free header six yards out Mitchell missed was nothing to do with the bloody pitch. | | | |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:06 - Apr 1 with 2111 views | SaxonDale |
Woking 1-1 - WINNING Gordon gives away reckless penalty
Tamworth 1-1 - Waller OG
Southend 1-1- WINNING and then Hogan OG
Oldham 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Maidenhead 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Dagenham 0-1- Concede 15 seconds after direct free kick 25 yards from their goal
This is just over the last few months. |  | | |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:06 - Apr 1 with 2102 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 21:56 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
We definitely should have seen it out and our decision making, on and off the pitch could have been in better in the second half. But it was far from embarrassing with that team and all the injuries. It was incredibly disappointing and two points dropped.
At no stage did we overplay or shoot ourselves in the foot with our football, more a case of not being decisive and ensuring we played twenty yards further up the pitch.
Thought Weston did well and the back three too in the main until the last five minutes. Selections didn’t cost us today, our game management did.
I’m not making McNulty’s excuses for him, and it was the same for both teams, but don’t underestimate how bloody awful that pitch was. |
I didn't think the pitch was worse than many others we play on. I thought Weston was poor. Yes we did shoot ourselves in the foot, we played far too deep in the second half and took our only threat up front off the pitch. The ball constantly came back to us and we invited pressure. I think blaming the pitch is a very poor excuse. We obviously viewed tonight's game differently, it played out exactly as predicted in the end against a team that we should have put to bed. We've seen this play out regularly this season away from home, throwing points down the drain, the players will know that tonight. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:10]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:10 - Apr 1 with 2044 views | Clivert |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:06 - Apr 1 by TalkingSutty |
I didn't think the pitch was worse than many others we play on. I thought Weston was poor. Yes we did shoot ourselves in the foot, we played far too deep in the second half and took our only threat up front off the pitch. The ball constantly came back to us and we invited pressure. I think blaming the pitch is a very poor excuse. We obviously viewed tonight's game differently, it played out exactly as predicted in the end against a team that we should have put to bed. We've seen this play out regularly this season away from home, throwing points down the drain, the players will know that tonight. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:10]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:17 - Apr 1 with 1953 views | Sandyman |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 21:43 - Apr 1 by Edindale |
Did not turn up in the second half.
Frustrating because they are a really really poor team.
Have we not learnt that we can not hold onto a 1-0 lead? |
No. It's so predictable. Talk on our table in Ratcliffe's was exactly about that at half time. The head coach hasn't learnt that we can't hold onto a 1-0 away lead playing the way he sets us up to play in such circumstances. It happens too often. We let teams back into games too easily by sitting back second half.
Will take the away point given the injury list, but what a wasted opportunity for more away points, again.
Will the lesson be learned this time?
We'll see next Tuesday. |  | | |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:18 - Apr 1 with 1943 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:06 - Apr 1 by TalkingSutty |
I didn't think the pitch was worse than many others we play on. I thought Weston was poor. Yes we did shoot ourselves in the foot, we played far too deep in the second half and took our only threat up front off the pitch. The ball constantly came back to us and we invited pressure. I think blaming the pitch is a very poor excuse. We obviously viewed tonight's game differently, it played out exactly as predicted in the end against a team that we should have put to bed. We've seen this play out regularly this season away from home, throwing points down the drain, the players will know that tonight. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:10]
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Where am I blaming the pitch?
If you couldn’t see the shift Weston put in, in difficult circumstances on debut, then I accept it’s all about opinions.
And I clearly pointed out about the game management and what we were at fault for. The issues are indeed away from home, indicating and exacerbated by how much we’ve improved at home as well.
Could and should Rochdale be doing better than what they are this season? Yes. Would we all have took 6th with seven games to go and a cup semi with a team that is, at present for various reasons (some of which are down to the management) all patched up? You’d hope so. And you’d hope it would be with the same level of humility we’ve always shown as a fanbase when compared to others. |  |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:20 - Apr 1 with 1923 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:06 - Apr 1 by SaxonDale |
Woking 1-1 - WINNING Gordon gives away reckless penalty
Tamworth 1-1 - Waller OG
Southend 1-1- WINNING and then Hogan OG
Oldham 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Maidenhead 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Dagenham 0-1- Concede 15 seconds after direct free kick 25 yards from their goal
This is just over the last few months. |
There are our issues. It’s ingrained and needs sorting. | |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:21 - Apr 1 with 1880 views | dawlishdale |
I too didn't think Weston had a good game, but neither did Buyabu and Alarakia ( he's too "fiddly" on the ball)
Ultimately, Jim's game management/second half tactics have cost us and not for the first time.
I honestly believe this squad has underperformed by at least 10 points due to the managers tactical decisions.
Thought Rodney had another good game despite playing deeper again. EEL also had a good game. | | | |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:25 - Apr 1 with 1834 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:05 - Apr 1 by Rodingdale |
Sorry, we did start to overplay, at one point Allarakia opted to turn back towards our goal instead of playing it forward, he ran straight into a Woking player who robbed him and started a break for them.
All this mention of the pitch, as if it’s somehow a surprise. We’re playing in the fifth tier on merit, the pitches aren’t going to be bowling greens we know that; and the free header six yards out Mitchell missed was nothing to do with the bloody pitch. |
Sorry, didn’t see this.
Agreed entirely on individual decisions like the Allarakhia one you mention. But that’s player choice mid game.
Similarly the Mitchell chance and others. McNulty should have got them further up the pitch, that’s on him, the rest, including the challenge for the penalty is on the players.
I’ll stick by that being the worst pitch of the season by a country mile though. It was like Springy Park on a balmy Thursday night when you’ve got six ‘Sunday’ league games to play. | |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:26 - Apr 1 with 1811 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:21 - Apr 1 by dawlishdale |
I too didn't think Weston had a good game, but neither did Buyabu and Alarakia ( he's too "fiddly" on the ball)
Ultimately, Jim's game management/second half tactics have cost us and not for the first time.
I honestly believe this squad has underperformed by at least 10 points due to the managers tactical decisions.
Thought Rodney had another good game despite playing deeper again. EEL also had a good game. |
Rodney was playing the same position as Saturday. Unfortunately he works better with Henderson at no.9 than Mitchell.
Ten more points would put us fourth. With an outside chance of third. I think that’s fair.
But is it so much worse than where we are? [Post edited 1 Apr 22:28]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:27 - Apr 1 with 1797 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:18 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
Where am I blaming the pitch?
If you couldn’t see the shift Weston put in, in difficult circumstances on debut, then I accept it’s all about opinions.
And I clearly pointed out about the game management and what we were at fault for. The issues are indeed away from home, indicating and exacerbated by how much we’ve improved at home as well.
Could and should Rochdale be doing better than what they are this season? Yes. Would we all have took 6th with seven games to go and a cup semi with a team that is, at present for various reasons (some of which are down to the management) all patched up? You’d hope so. And you’d hope it would be with the same level of humility we’ve always shown as a fanbase when compared to others. |
You said don't under estimate how bloody awful the pitch was. I didn't see Weston do much at all and i watched all the game. I thought Gilmour was stand out, EEL was solid, Rodney very lively and McBride was decent. The second half just saw us surrender any momentum we had though, just like at Oldham. It was very reminiscent of the last game at Maidenhead, decent first half and poor second half. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:33]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:31 - Apr 1 with 1745 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:27 - Apr 1 by TalkingSutty |
You said don't under estimate how bloody awful the pitch was. I didn't see Weston do much at all and i watched all the game. I thought Gilmour was stand out, EEL was solid, Rodney very lively and McBride was decent. The second half just saw us surrender any momentum we had though, just like at Oldham. It was very reminiscent of the last game at Maidenhead, decent first half and poor second half. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:33]
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Yes, I did. It impacted the whole game. For both teams and from a Dale perspective, knowing how players better, we clearly struggled with the irregular bounce of the ball and it meant we changed tactics (effectively) to go long. Unfortunately it also impacted our ability to kill the game with ball retention and passing, because we couldn’t.
That’s not blaming the pitch, it’s establishing facts that had to be dealt with. Which we did quite well until that silly challenge.
Edit to your edit: always agree to disagree on individual performances, and those players you said did well did too. Just I thought Weston was good in trying circumstances, impressed by his calmness. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:36]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:40 - Apr 1 with 1653 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:31 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
Yes, I did. It impacted the whole game. For both teams and from a Dale perspective, knowing how players better, we clearly struggled with the irregular bounce of the ball and it meant we changed tactics (effectively) to go long. Unfortunately it also impacted our ability to kill the game with ball retention and passing, because we couldn’t.
That’s not blaming the pitch, it’s establishing facts that had to be dealt with. Which we did quite well until that silly challenge.
Edit to your edit: always agree to disagree on individual performances, and those players you said did well did too. Just I thought Weston was good in trying circumstances, impressed by his calmness. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:36]
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Well that's football, especially at this level. Blaming the condition of the pitch is what you appear to be doing. We played quite well on it during the first half. We did the same at Oldham on a worse pitch. Something happens at half time and it happens in the changing room, you can see it from the moment the referee starts the second half, it's nothing to do with the pitch. It's not a coincidence, it happens too regularly for it to be that.
We fancy our chances of inviting teams onto us and then killing them on the counter attack and putting the game to bed, i think thats what it is. Unfortunately by dropping back we give the opposition and home crowd encouragement and we come unstuck. In other words we confuse ourselves and stop doing what was working, we let the opposition back into the game and find daft ways of conceding goals, exactly what we witnessed tonight. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:51]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:49 - Apr 1 with 1585 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:40 - Apr 1 by TalkingSutty |
Well that's football, especially at this level. Blaming the condition of the pitch is what you appear to be doing. We played quite well on it during the first half. We did the same at Oldham on a worse pitch. Something happens at half time and it happens in the changing room, you can see it from the moment the referee starts the second half, it's nothing to do with the pitch. It's not a coincidence, it happens too regularly for it to be that.
We fancy our chances of inviting teams onto us and then killing them on the counter attack and putting the game to bed, i think thats what it is. Unfortunately by dropping back we give the opposition and home crowd encouragement and we come unstuck. In other words we confuse ourselves and stop doing what was working, we let the opposition back into the game and find daft ways of conceding goals, exactly what we witnessed tonight. [Post edited 1 Apr 22:51]
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It may appear to be that, but it isn’t. I blamed how we saw the game out and went too deep.
It’s that in fair enough to say that the pitch impacted how we retain the ball. It may be football at this level, and ours, Halifax’s and Oldham’s pitches have been poor in recent weeks, it’s that tonight’s was worthy of comment because it was far worse than any of those.
Facts are we dropped two points because of a silly challenge. Like Southend, Oldham, Maidenhead it is on the manager why this happens. Nobody is defending that.
At the same time, get it right, move twenty yards up the pitch, make the most of the chances we have and it’s the perfect away performance. As you say, that’s football. Especially at this level. | |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:52 - Apr 1 with 1552 views | Sandyman |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:06 - Apr 1 by SaxonDale |
Woking 1-1 - WINNING Gordon gives away reckless penalty
Tamworth 1-1 - Waller OG
Southend 1-1- WINNING and then Hogan OG
Oldham 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Maidenhead 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Dagenham 0-1- Concede 15 seconds after direct free kick 25 yards from their goal
This is just over the last few months. |
A very salient point. Wonder if Greg will bring it up in his post-match interview? An answer from the gaffer would be enlightening. | | | |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:54 - Apr 1 with 1539 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:49 - Apr 1 by 442Dale |
It may appear to be that, but it isn’t. I blamed how we saw the game out and went too deep.
It’s that in fair enough to say that the pitch impacted how we retain the ball. It may be football at this level, and ours, Halifax’s and Oldham’s pitches have been poor in recent weeks, it’s that tonight’s was worthy of comment because it was far worse than any of those.
Facts are we dropped two points because of a silly challenge. Like Southend, Oldham, Maidenhead it is on the manager why this happens. Nobody is defending that.
At the same time, get it right, move twenty yards up the pitch, make the most of the chances we have and it’s the perfect away performance. As you say, that’s football. Especially at this level. |
Your last paragraph is spot on and it's been relevant all season but we've seen the opposite, why? The fans can see that, why can't the manager? I sound like a broken record with McNulty but the game tonight was yet again there for the taking but we opt to retreat backwards to the edge of our penalty area. He might respect the point but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to do. The game was there to win, like many others that we've found a way to throw points away from a winning position. [Post edited 1 Apr 23:02]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:59 - Apr 1 with 1497 views | dingdangblue |
Its that 2nd goal. Tonight we missed chances when on top and got punished AGAIN. We got a 2nd v Aldershot and pushed on, similar with Altrincham. Failure to get a 2nd and we retreat further and further back the longer the game goes on and we aren't good enough to hold out. It really doesn't bode well for away play off games which are looking likely. They are going to be low scoring tense affairs you would think and we haven't got what it takes to see out those type of games away from home. |  |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:00 - Apr 1 with 1491 views | borodale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:10 - Apr 1 by Clivert |
This ⬆️. |
This is McNulty ball. [Post edited 1 Apr 23:03]
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:03 - Apr 1 with 1465 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:54 - Apr 1 by TalkingSutty |
Your last paragraph is spot on and it's been relevant all season but we've seen the opposite, why? The fans can see that, why can't the manager? I sound like a broken record with McNulty but the game tonight was yet again there for the taking but we opt to retreat backwards to the edge of our penalty area. He might respect the point but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to do. The game was there to win, like many others that we've found a way to throw points away from a winning position. [Post edited 1 Apr 23:02]
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Because we are a National League team with a manager who makes plenty of mistakes, sometimes consistently, and with players who are not consistent. Every team, bar Barnet, could be said to fall into this category. Even York where some fans question the signing of Stones and how that changed the way they play.
All concerned will stand or fall based on results. Much like any other walk of life.
Right now? Sixth and a cup semi final. Lose on Saturday and the next three in the league? Problems for all concerned. | |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:09 - Apr 1 with 1403 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:00 - Apr 1 by borodale |
This is McNulty ball. [Post edited 1 Apr 23:03]
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Isn’t overpassing at the back and boring football McNultyball? Or is it going deep and being unable to hold onto leads when a goal up away from home?
If it’s the latter, Steve Parkin made a Dale career out of it. Except we won quite a few doing it.
There’s no defending the manager here, it’s simply asking for consistency in the criticism. We’ve moved from home displays being the issue, to away ones. Isn’t that indicative of a particular issue as a season develops rather than any particular philosophy? Otherwise we’d be trying to hold onto one goal leads at home too.
Something else Parkin was good at. | |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:11 - Apr 1 with 1381 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:59 - Apr 1 by dingdangblue |
Its that 2nd goal. Tonight we missed chances when on top and got punished AGAIN. We got a 2nd v Aldershot and pushed on, similar with Altrincham. Failure to get a 2nd and we retreat further and further back the longer the game goes on and we aren't good enough to hold out. It really doesn't bode well for away play off games which are looking likely. They are going to be low scoring tense affairs you would think and we haven't got what it takes to see out those type of games away from home. |
This is it in a nutshell. The perfect analysis of what we are trying and failing to achieve. Get that second, often on the break (see the chances at Southend/Oldham/even tonight in some situations) and that’s what they are trying to achieve.
It’s that they’re failing at present. | |
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| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:19 - Apr 1 with 1338 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Spennymoor Town won 2-0 tonight, so come to Rochdale on a high. | | | |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:25 - Apr 1 with 1297 views | Shun |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 22:06 - Apr 1 by SaxonDale |
Woking 1-1 - WINNING Gordon gives away reckless penalty
Tamworth 1-1 - Waller OG
Southend 1-1- WINNING and then Hogan OG
Oldham 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Maidenhead 1-1- WINNING and then poor defensive clearance
Dagenham 0-1- Concede 15 seconds after direct free kick 25 yards from their goal
This is just over the last few months. |
Incredibly, we haven’t won an away league game this year. That’s a sequence of 8 games. |  | | |
| Refwatch - Woking v Rochdale on 23:28 - Apr 1 with 1266 views | _Windydale |
Nothing to fear. The lads will be up for this, biggest game of the season. | | | |
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