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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 20:39 - Jan 26 with 1133 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 20:14 - Jan 26 by 49thseason |
There were several times on Saturday when Henderson, McBride or Barlow were alongside the centre halves and on the half-turn with an open run on goal; a quicker delivery from Hogan would have released them, but it simply wasn't forthcoming. I understand the notion that at 2-0 you just slam the door and kill the game especially with the games coming thick and fast but it seems counter-intuitive when the crowd is up by 1000 or so...I guess we have to accept its a means to an end, |
By and large, centre-backs at National league level don't have the capacity to see the right opportunity and even if they do, play the ball with the right pace and direction
EEL is probably better at doing so than most at this level, but to expect Hogan to do the same is asking too much. I don't mean you're asking him, but neither should the management be asking him. He's a defender, and a bit more "old school" than EEL |  |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 20:44 - Jan 26 with 1131 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 20:14 - Jan 26 by 49thseason |
There were several times on Saturday when Henderson, McBride or Barlow were alongside the centre halves and on the half-turn with an open run on goal; a quicker delivery from Hogan would have released them, but it simply wasn't forthcoming. I understand the notion that at 2-0 you just slam the door and kill the game especially with the games coming thick and fast but it seems counter-intuitive when the crowd is up by 1000 or so...I guess we have to accept its a means to an end, |
I’d agree there were situations like that which were frustrating. Especially as though we’d seen both Hogan and Gordon play those direct balls from the back into the centre of the pitch to great effect with the goals. However, I’m leaning towards trusting the players as to when they choose to make that pass and it could be impacted by the positions of others around them and assessing danger if it is cut out.
Playing such an attacking formation which often sees us with only two defenders once a wide CB pushes on means there is a high risk attached. That trust from supporters towards the players is optional, but again can only point to the results when saying I’m prepared to give it and have the belief that creating doubt wouldn’t help.
Focusing on the positives whilst acknowledging areas where we can improve without it becoming negative will see us continue in the same vein I think. |  |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 21:07 - Jan 26 with 1061 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 20:14 - Jan 26 by 49thseason |
There were several times on Saturday when Henderson, McBride or Barlow were alongside the centre halves and on the half-turn with an open run on goal; a quicker delivery from Hogan would have released them, but it simply wasn't forthcoming. I understand the notion that at 2-0 you just slam the door and kill the game especially with the games coming thick and fast but it seems counter-intuitive when the crowd is up by 1000 or so...I guess we have to accept its a means to an end, |
That's how i saw it. I can understand McNulty wanting to see the game out at 2-0, one goal conceded can quickly lead to two and he didn't want to give them any encouragement. Missing chances and penalties is on the players not the manager. We have to be more ruthless and clinical, the basics of actually hitting your shot on target would be a good start. Head over the ball and don't blaze it over the crossbar. We've been brilliant this season but these are things that will make us even better. Hendo isn't very good at taking penalties, McNulty knows that and so do the fans, somebody else should have taken that. I think we've missed our last three penalties now |  | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 21:31 - Jan 26 with 1022 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 21:07 - Jan 26 by TalkingSutty |
That's how i saw it. I can understand McNulty wanting to see the game out at 2-0, one goal conceded can quickly lead to two and he didn't want to give them any encouragement. Missing chances and penalties is on the players not the manager. We have to be more ruthless and clinical, the basics of actually hitting your shot on target would be a good start. Head over the ball and don't blaze it over the crossbar. We've been brilliant this season but these are things that will make us even better. Hendo isn't very good at taking penalties, McNulty knows that and so do the fans, somebody else should have taken that. I think we've missed our last three penalties now |
We've missed four out of five this season, if we count Morecambe as two penalties.
According to my figures, Saturday was Henderson's 36th penalty for Dale, bringing him level with Gary Jones. |  |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 22:09 - Jan 26 with 932 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 21:31 - Jan 26 by TVOS1907 |
We've missed four out of five this season, if we count Morecambe as two penalties.
According to my figures, Saturday was Henderson's 36th penalty for Dale, bringing him level with Gary Jones. |
How many did Jones miss, compared to Hendo? Apologies if you don't have the figures. Jones was very good from the penalty spot | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 22:39 - Jan 26 with 874 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 22:09 - Jan 26 by TalkingSutty |
How many did Jones miss, compared to Hendo? Apologies if you don't have the figures. Jones was very good from the penalty spot |
Penalty miss records aren't detailed anywhere officially, but I've tried to keep track of them as I've gone along. The Jones ones needed some memory digging when I started cataloguing them, whereas Henderson's have coincided with my files being updated game-by-game.
I've got Henderson on 10 misses and Jones on seven. | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 22:41 - Jan 26 with 853 views | dingdangblue |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 22:39 - Jan 26 by TVOS1907 |
Penalty miss records aren't detailed anywhere officially, but I've tried to keep track of them as I've gone along. The Jones ones needed some memory digging when I started cataloguing them, whereas Henderson's have coincided with my files being updated game-by-game.
I've got Henderson on 10 misses and Jones on seven. |
Jones had a very costly miss in a 0-0 draw at Macc in 2001 - although we got to the play offs for the first time in our history those 2 extra points would've seen us finish 3rd. |  |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 23:05 - Jan 26 with 822 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 22:41 - Jan 26 by dingdangblue |
Jones had a very costly miss in a 0-0 draw at Macc in 2001 - although we got to the play offs for the first time in our history those 2 extra points would've seen us finish 3rd. |
That was the season before; we reached the play-offs in 2001/02. | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 23:10 - Jan 26 with 816 views | dingdangblue |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 23:05 - Jan 26 by TVOS1907 |
That was the season before; we reached the play-offs in 2001/02. |
Ah yes - those 2 extra points would've got us in the play offs that season? | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 23:20 - Jan 26 with 793 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 23:10 - Jan 26 by dingdangblue |
Ah yes - those 2 extra points would've got us in the play offs that season? |
Assuming the remaining 7 games panned out the same. Getting beaten 3-0 by a Barnet team who went on to be relegated two weeks later was the most crucial result, as it happened. | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:18 - Jan 27 with 605 views | EllDale |
I seem to remember Jones skying one over the Sandy Lane crossbar in a match against Bristol Rovers around 2004?
It was in stoppage time with the score 0-0. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:49 - Jan 27 with 551 views | TalkingSutty |
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Penalty miss records aren't detailed anywhere officially, but I've tried to keep track of them as I've gone along. The Jones ones needed some memory digging when I started cataloguing them, whereas Henderson's have coincided with my files being updated game-by-game.
I've got Henderson on 10 misses and Jones on seven. |
Transfermarkt website has a detailed breakdown in respect of Hendos penalty taking record and it shows it as 29 scored and 13 missed including the recent one against Truro. It shows Gary Jones as 17 scored, five missed. [Post edited 27 Jan 9:52]
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:53 - Jan 27 with 538 views | WhitworthDale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:49 - Jan 27 by TalkingSutty |
Transfermarkt website has a detailed breakdown in respect of Hendos penalty taking record and it shows it as 29 scored and 13 missed including the recent one against Truro. It shows Gary Jones as 17 scored, five missed. [Post edited 27 Jan 9:52]
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I'd be willing to bet that missing 30% of one's pens is way above average, even at this level! | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:57 - Jan 27 with 524 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:53 - Jan 27 by WhitworthDale |
I'd be willing to bet that missing 30% of one's pens is way above average, even at this level! |
I'm not sure those figures are accurate but the details are there in respect of the dates, opponents and the goalkeeper making the save in all competitions. I'm also not sure who i would name as our best ever penalty taker, i seem to remember Lambert scoring a few but i could be completely wrong about that. [Post edited 27 Jan 10:07]
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:08 - Jan 27 with 493 views | EllDale |
Don’t think Big Reg missed many with his no-nonsense technique!!
Seem to remember Stan Milburn being pretty effective from the spot as well.
Dennis Butler scored a few in and around the first promotion season too. [Post edited 27 Jan 10:09]
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:09 - Jan 27 with 490 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:57 - Jan 27 by TalkingSutty |
I'm not sure those figures are accurate but the details are there in respect of the dates, opponents and the goalkeeper making the save in all competitions. I'm also not sure who i would name as our best ever penalty taker, i seem to remember Lambert scoring a few but i could be completely wrong about that. [Post edited 27 Jan 10:07]
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In living memory, it'd have to be Reg Jenkins, although he was far from 100% | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:21 - Jan 27 with 470 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:08 - Jan 27 by EllDale |
Don’t think Big Reg missed many with his no-nonsense technique!!
Seem to remember Stan Milburn being pretty effective from the spot as well.
Dennis Butler scored a few in and around the first promotion season too. [Post edited 27 Jan 10:09]
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I started watching in 1976, probably Nigel O'Loughlin or Steve Mellodew might have taken penalies then, i can't remember. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:32 - Jan 27 with 454 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 09:49 - Jan 27 by TalkingSutty |
Transfermarkt website has a detailed breakdown in respect of Hendos penalty taking record and it shows it as 29 scored and 13 missed including the recent one against Truro. It shows Gary Jones as 17 scored, five missed. [Post edited 27 Jan 9:52]
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How far back does it go? Remember that Jones started playing for us in 1998 and scored his first penalty in 1999, and as you say, independent websites aren't always accurate.
I've just checked the site - they also have Henderson on 492 appearances for Dale when he's now on 501 and your figures include his penalties for Salford!
Jones definitely scored 29 penalties and missed at least seven. I say "at least" in case I've forgotten any from his early days.
His misses were:
Nov 2000 v Mansfield (a)
Apr 2001 v Macclesfield (a)
May 2004 v Southend (h)
December 2004 v Bristol R (h)
Jan 2011 v Oldham (a) - O'Grady scored from the rebound, which might explain one of the gaps
Nov 2011 v Preston (a)
Mar 2012 v Sheff Wed (h)
Henderson has definitely scored 26 penalties for Dale and missed 10.
His misses are:
Dec 2014 v Fleetwood (h)
Jan 2015 v Bradford (a) - Vincenti slammed in the rebound
Sep 2015 v Fleetwood (a)
Apr 2016 v Swindon (h)
Oct 2016 v Swindon (a)
Sep 2017 v Gillingham (h)
Oct 2017 v Northampton (h)
Dec 2017 v Bradford (a)
Sep 2022 v Liverpool U21 (h)
Jan 2026 v Truro (h)
Transfrmrkt have also missed one of his converted penalties for Dale - at home to Gillingham in January 2020. | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:35 - Jan 27 with 450 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:08 - Jan 27 by EllDale |
Don’t think Big Reg missed many with his no-nonsense technique!!
Seem to remember Stan Milburn being pretty effective from the spot as well.
Dennis Butler scored a few in and around the first promotion season too. [Post edited 27 Jan 10:09]
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Jenkins scored 24 pens
Milburn 16
Butler 3
I don't know about misses in those eras. It would mean reading every match report! | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:36 - Jan 27 with 449 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:21 - Jan 27 by TalkingSutty |
I started watching in 1976, probably Nigel O'Loughlin or Steve Mellodew might have taken penalies then, i can't remember. |
O'Loughlin 4
Melledew 0 | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:57 - Jan 27 with 404 views | DaleFan7 |
He might not have scored millions but I dont remember Tom Kennedy ever missing a penalty. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 11:50 - Jan 27 with 323 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:57 - Jan 27 by DaleFan7 |
He might not have scored millions but I dont remember Tom Kennedy ever missing a penalty. |
Scored 6
Missed 0 | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 12:20 - Jan 27 with 286 views | dingdangblue |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 10:57 - Jan 27 by DaleFan7 |
He might not have scored millions but I dont remember Tom Kennedy ever missing a penalty. |
Alfie had a decent conversation rate too I think? Don't know how many he took for us though. | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 12:25 - Jan 27 with 273 views | TVOS1907 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 12:20 - Jan 27 by dingdangblue |
Alfie had a decent conversation rate too I think? Don't know how many he took for us though. |
Scored 13
Missed 1 | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Truro City on 12:28 - Jan 27 with 264 views | EllGazzell |
Jones converted so many, in part, due to his sideways run-up bamboozling the opposition keeper. |  |
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