| Has the game gone? 13:25 - Mar 3 with 6442 views | KensalT |
Ruud's got a point. Even if he did play for that mob on Fulham Broadway.
The game is in danger of eating itself
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| Has the game gone? on 13:28 - Mar 3 with 3142 views | 7374Ranger |
I only watched the MotD 'highlights and they weren't long at all, so it must have been Shiiiite. | | | |
| Has the game gone? on 13:40 - Mar 3 with 3067 views | PlanetHonneywood |
He isn't saying anything that we've either not said among our friends or been saying on here for years!
I only follow the Rangers, really don't know much of what's going on elsewhere and if I do watch any other game, I rarely last a half.
Said it before, say it again: if Rangers folded or, became a Premiership whore club, I could see myself not bothering at all. It's actually boring from Championship level up! |  |
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| Has the game gone? on 13:51 - Mar 3 with 3030 views | Malintabuk |
Not sure if it is generational thing or not, or just the saturation that we now get
I remember as a young whippersnapper if I could not get away with us I would go to either Fulham or Brentford just to see a match... even a rare trip down to the Gills...
Now apart from us, I can't remember the last full match I watched. I caught the Arsenal v Scum and apart from the comic value these corner routines are just horrendous
Soon you won't need any talented players, any players like Marsh,Best, Bowles etc... just some big lumps that can score from corners or long throws...
Even kick off now is lump it up into the corner trying to get a long throw. It's more about attrition than talent | | | |
| Has the game gone? on 13:56 - Mar 3 with 3008 views | Juzzie |
Too much money at stake has made clubs all schit scared to lose so it becomes stale.
Gone are the days when you'd have a Manager like John Lyall at West Ham there for 15 years presiding over cup wins & finals, relegations, promotions, decent cup runs etc.
Nowadays he'd be gone after the second season having finished two places above relegation as the club "seeks a new challenge....". |  | | |
| Has the game gone? on 14:02 - Mar 3 with 2966 views | Boston |
I watch a good number of non league match highlights. A few lower league games but virtually no Prem.
I do enjoy retro Big Match and MotD. | |
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| Has the game gone? on 14:04 - Mar 3 with 2957 views | Northernr |
He's 100% right. |  | | |
| Has the game gone? on 14:07 - Mar 3 with 2941 views | dmm |
I get the sentiment I really do but football tactics will keep evolving. It always has done, for better or worse, and in a few years this awful set piece routine will have passed. |  | | |
| Has the game gone? on 14:18 - Mar 3 with 2879 views | daveB |
The lack of dribblers and people who want to take players on, get you off your seat is a big part of the problem. It's all very robotic now. |  | | |
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| Has the game gone? on 14:27 - Mar 3 with 2827 views | ted_hendrix |
It's not news though Is It?
Watching Prem highlights/goals the other evening some bloke gets tackled, loses the ball to a good tackle and instantly drops dead.
It's tediously predictable and fast becoming unwatchable, I consider myself Mr Average bloke from down the road, I'm of the opinion then that there are other blokes like me who feel the same way.
I struggle with watching football nowadays You've got to be goddam lucky to be able to say, that was a good game.
I've been spoilt though, queuing up Years ago at the turnstiles to watch Dave Thomas doing his stuff minus his shin pads.
**Grumpy old Man alert post** |  |
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| Has the game gone? on 14:27 - Mar 3 with 2823 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Has the game gone? on 13:51 - Mar 3 by Malintabuk |
Not sure if it is generational thing or not, or just the saturation that we now get
I remember as a young whippersnapper if I could not get away with us I would go to either Fulham or Brentford just to see a match... even a rare trip down to the Gills...
Now apart from us, I can't remember the last full match I watched. I caught the Arsenal v Scum and apart from the comic value these corner routines are just horrendous
Soon you won't need any talented players, any players like Marsh,Best, Bowles etc... just some big lumps that can score from corners or long throws...
Even kick off now is lump it up into the corner trying to get a long throw. It's more about attrition than talent |
Speaking of big lumps, how's the Coventry kid mending?
If I were to pinpoint a specific time when it all started to look and sound a bit sniffy to me, it was when people started to refer to football clubs as 'projects' and how they 'liked the sound of the project' or how the chief exec or such like, had 'sold them the project!' | |
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| Has the game gone? on 14:37 - Mar 3 with 2772 views | TheChef |
Been AND gone  |  |
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| Has the game gone? on 15:00 - Mar 3 with 2676 views | Hoopstar |
I'm with him, and many others on the thread.
Over the last decade I would say my interest in, and love for, QPR has grown but my interest in the rest of the game has dwindled hugely. Far more a cricket man nowadays.
Enjoy going to a few non-league games with mates down here in Sussex over the course of a season, but barely watch any other live football. The odd Spurs game with a nephew who lives ten mins from the ground but has no football fans in his family, but that's mostly to spend time with him (and help him through the hardships of being an 8yo Spurs fan.)
Can't see any of our players going for big bucks with the state of our corner taking, and tendency to let goals in from crosses haha. |  | | |
| Has the game gone? on 15:02 - Mar 3 with 2662 views | colinallcars |
| Has the game gone? on 14:37 - Mar 3 by TheChef |
Been AND gone |
Yes, when all is done and said, it's gone and been. |  | | |
| Has the game gone? on 15:02 - Mar 3 with 2664 views | charmr |
Football cyclical and sheep like.
I know younger supporters who haven’t seen sexton and Venables teams or Alec Stocks get tired of hearing about it some of us are just so lucky and privileged to have seen that football and those footballers live. [Post edited 3 Mar 15:03]
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| Has the game gone? on 15:14 - Mar 3 with 2610 views | joe90 |
It's been sh*t for a long time and I think the sports media has contributed massively to laying the ground work for the enshittification of football that we're seeing now.
I got into a discussion with a Man Utd fan about watching games live vs watching on the telly. Needless to say, but I will anyway, he wasn't from Manchester and did not visit the 'Theatre of Dreams' to watch his beloved Utd. He is what I think the kids call a 'plastic fan'. Anyway, he was arguing that he got a better view and appreciation of the game at home than I did in the ground. What this highlighted to me was a divergence of opinion of how the game should be viewed. For him it was a soulless, analytical pursuit. There was no joy in the spectacle, the athleticism, competition, the atmosphere of the ground, basically everything human and enjoyable about the game. For him cameras and replays removed objectivity and that was a good thing. I think what is becoming apparent is that winning isn't all that matters for true fans of the 'sport'. If winning means more VAR, astronomical transfer fee's, needing a PHD in accountancy to understand three year spending cycles to give you an indication of how you'll get on over the next few seasons, perhaps winning isn't all it's cracked up to be? Believing that Skysports or the Premier League care about fans is like believing Highways England care about how drivers feel on smart motorways. |  | | |
| Has the game gone? on 15:22 - Mar 3 with 2577 views | KensalT |
I'm surprised there hasn't been any pushback on this.
Is there anyone her under the age of 50? (Apart from Clive).
I agree with pretty much all the comments on here. But FWIW I think there are two factors big factors driving this:
1. Modern players are overcoached.
Players now are all about the system. They seem either afraid or incapable of thinking for themselves.
And I think the growth of academies has probably nurtured this.
I think we were all delighted to see Daniel Bennie ping one in from long range at Hull but I think Clive's report mentioned how rare it is to see that sort of thing now.
2. Influence of data analytics
I think data analytics works best in stop start sports like cricket rather than fluid sports like football, so perhaps it's not surprising that football analysis has focused on working advantages from breaks in play like corners and throw ins.
It's not just Arsenal scoring fewer goals from open play. There was a piece on the BBC website a few months ago saying that this was on the increase across the PL.
So Arsenal now are incentivising their corners coach to create goals. And eyebrows were raised a couple of years ago when Klopp brough a throw-in coach to Liverpool.
It's all very clever in its own way but it shouldn't be what the whole game is about.
Terry Venables was always innovative at set plays, but that didn't stop him trying to find other ways to score. | | | |
| Has the game gone? on 15:22 - Mar 3 with 2573 views | kensalriser |
Bad news - the game hasn't gone anywhere, there's still a full programme for the rest of the season.
Funny though, because every week I read here that we need to get rid of all our small ballers at QPR and sign more big ugly bastards. Confusing. |  |
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| Has the game gone? on 15:26 - Mar 3 with 2561 views | Mick_S |
I don’t think it’s gone. I doubt Rudd will be immersed in the lower leagues this weekend where it is still is fairly exciting. The game is bollocksed at all the very highest levels - where the money is and so many armchair fans do their thing on the phone and all the other blah, blah blahs. And VAR.
Come on the European Super League. Can’t come too soon in my house. |  |
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| Has the game gone? on 15:33 - Mar 3 with 2531 views | Hayesender |
Declan Rice is like one of those blokes in American football who just comes on all kitted up to take a kick every now and then |  |
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| Has the game gone? on 15:45 - Mar 3 with 2483 views | ted_hendrix |
| Has the game gone? on 15:14 - Mar 3 by joe90 |
It's been sh*t for a long time and I think the sports media has contributed massively to laying the ground work for the enshittification of football that we're seeing now.
I got into a discussion with a Man Utd fan about watching games live vs watching on the telly. Needless to say, but I will anyway, he wasn't from Manchester and did not visit the 'Theatre of Dreams' to watch his beloved Utd. He is what I think the kids call a 'plastic fan'. Anyway, he was arguing that he got a better view and appreciation of the game at home than I did in the ground. What this highlighted to me was a divergence of opinion of how the game should be viewed. For him it was a soulless, analytical pursuit. There was no joy in the spectacle, the athleticism, competition, the atmosphere of the ground, basically everything human and enjoyable about the game. For him cameras and replays removed objectivity and that was a good thing. I think what is becoming apparent is that winning isn't all that matters for true fans of the 'sport'. If winning means more VAR, astronomical transfer fee's, needing a PHD in accountancy to understand three year spending cycles to give you an indication of how you'll get on over the next few seasons, perhaps winning isn't all it's cracked up to be? Believing that Skysports or the Premier League care about fans is like believing Highways England care about how drivers feel on smart motorways. |
Good post. | |
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| Has the game gone? on 15:48 - Mar 3 with 2474 views | KensalT |
| Has the game gone? on 15:33 - Mar 3 by Hayesender |
Declan Rice is like one of those blokes in American football who just comes on all kitted up to take a kick every now and then |
It's ironic that the game is becoming popular with the Yanks just as it's becoming more about muscle and athleticism and less about imagination and creativity.
Funny that! | | | |
| Has the game gone? on 16:13 - Mar 3 with 2381 views | Paddyhoops |
Spot on . Complete insufferable dirge .
Even Slot at Liverpool has said so but knows it works for them . | | | |
| Has the game gone? on 16:15 - Mar 3 with 2361 views | stevec |
He is 100% right but it’s up to the rule makers to bring in changes to negate the issues.
We’ve been here before, I could have murdered Alan Hansen & Mark Lawrenson, get 1-0 up then strangle the life out the game with back passes to the keeper to pick up. For the younger ones amongst LFW, this is why you no longer have to witness it, the rule makers outlawed keepers from picking up back passes.
The corners and long throw issues could be eradicated if they ban the attacking side from being in the 6 yard box until the set piece is taken.
They should also revert back to the old rule whereby goal kicks have to clear the 18 yard box. It was meant to spread the game out but it hasn’t worked, it’s just encouraged the high press and no surprise that bigger stronger players have become the order of the day. |  | | |
| Has the game gone? on 16:27 - Mar 3 with 2284 views | dmm |
| Has the game gone? on 16:15 - Mar 3 by stevec |
He is 100% right but it’s up to the rule makers to bring in changes to negate the issues.
We’ve been here before, I could have murdered Alan Hansen & Mark Lawrenson, get 1-0 up then strangle the life out the game with back passes to the keeper to pick up. For the younger ones amongst LFW, this is why you no longer have to witness it, the rule makers outlawed keepers from picking up back passes.
The corners and long throw issues could be eradicated if they ban the attacking side from being in the 6 yard box until the set piece is taken.
They should also revert back to the old rule whereby goal kicks have to clear the 18 yard box. It was meant to spread the game out but it hasn’t worked, it’s just encouraged the high press and no surprise that bigger stronger players have become the order of the day. |
Some interesting ideas there, steve. I think changes like those could well help football become more exciting to watch. | | | |
| Has the game gone? on 16:49 - Mar 3 with 2217 views | qpr_1968 |
who remembers the watney cup where there were no offsides. | |
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