| Labour imploding 18:31 - Nov 19 with 4881 views | raynor94 |
The left wing raising its ugly head again Clive Lewis(who?) has offered to give up his seat in an attempt to get Andy Burnham back into Parliament to challenge Starmer
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| Labour imploding on 09:52 - Dec 12 with 978 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Labour imploding on 09:31 - Dec 12 by AnotherJohn |
Poor use of resources but not new. In the days of the NHS internal market it was common for purchasing health boards to press hospitals to cut back surgical activity towards the end of the financial year so that the total amount payable in a cost and volume contract did not become unaffordable when the planned volume of activity was exceeded. |
The health boards should be asking for a reduction in overheads like management etc before asking to cut down on operations. |  |
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| Labour imploding on 18:18 - Dec 12 with 904 views | AnotherJohn |
| Labour imploding on 09:52 - Dec 12 by felixstowe_jack |
The health boards should be asking for a reduction in overheads like management etc before asking to cut down on operations. |
I guess it is the difference between what saves money in the short-term versus the long-term. In many years there has been pressure to achieve "cost improvements" including through changes in management arrangements, but these take longer and there may be a short term cost e.g. if posts are lost and redundancies are involved. See what is happening in that regard in England just now with the abolition of NHS England (previously known as the NHS Commissioning Board). | | | |
| Labour imploding on 19:04 - Dec 12 with 891 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour imploding on 18:18 - Dec 12 by AnotherJohn |
I guess it is the difference between what saves money in the short-term versus the long-term. In many years there has been pressure to achieve "cost improvements" including through changes in management arrangements, but these take longer and there may be a short term cost e.g. if posts are lost and redundancies are involved. See what is happening in that regard in England just now with the abolition of NHS England (previously known as the NHS Commissioning Board). |
Yep, the NHS is chronically short of managers compared to private industry. | | | |
| Labour imploding on 20:28 - Dec 12 with 874 views | majorraglan |
A lot of the procedures that hav3 been cancelled were scheduled to take place in private hospitals. | | | |
| Labour imploding on 10:56 - Dec 13 with 807 views | Demitrius |
| Labour imploding on 20:28 - Dec 12 by majorraglan |
A lot of the procedures that hav3 been cancelled were scheduled to take place in private hospitals. |
My recent experience of private is that waiting times have increased and that must be down to them taking on NHS patients.
20 years ago it was a matter of days to see a specialist, get a scan done etc....now it's around a fortnight between appointments. |  |
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| Labour imploding on 09:05 - Dec 16 with 699 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Labour imploding on 19:04 - Dec 12 by Gwyn737 |
Yep, the NHS is chronically short of managers compared to private industry. |
Chronically short of good managers YES.
Over staffed with poor managers YES. | |
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| Labour imploding on 09:49 - Dec 16 with 683 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour imploding on 09:05 - Dec 16 by felixstowe_jack |
Chronically short of good managers YES.
Over staffed with poor managers YES. |
I don't know (apart from aneccdotally) if the ones in place are good, bad or stimmied by the system, but the point still stands that compared to private industry there's far fewer of them. | | | |
| Labour imploding on 09:57 - Dec 16 with 672 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour imploding on 09:49 - Dec 16 by Gwyn737 |
I don't know (apart from aneccdotally) if the ones in place are good, bad or stimmied by the system, but the point still stands that compared to private industry there's far fewer of them. |
Private industry pays for its own managers.
I suspect the problem is not so much that the NHS has too many managers, it's that NHS salaries aren't high enough to attract the best talent to fill the roles.
A senior executive at an NHS Trust can earn up to £200k per year. Nothing to be sniffed at, but a fraction of what the top talent can make in private business. So they go there instead, leaving the NHS with those who are naturally second rate, resulting in a second rate service that still costs the same.
I make the same argument about MP's and stand by it. The Prime Minister should earn at least as much as a FTSE CEO. Then perhaps we may get the right calibre of people standing for Parliament. |  |
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| Labour imploding on 10:05 - Dec 16 with 670 views | Gwyn737 |
| Labour imploding on 09:57 - Dec 16 by Dr_Winston |
Private industry pays for its own managers.
I suspect the problem is not so much that the NHS has too many managers, it's that NHS salaries aren't high enough to attract the best talent to fill the roles.
A senior executive at an NHS Trust can earn up to £200k per year. Nothing to be sniffed at, but a fraction of what the top talent can make in private business. So they go there instead, leaving the NHS with those who are naturally second rate, resulting in a second rate service that still costs the same.
I make the same argument about MP's and stand by it. The Prime Minister should earn at least as much as a FTSE CEO. Then perhaps we may get the right calibre of people standing for Parliament. |
That's a big issue, I agree.
If we want great public services we have to pay for them. I think most agree with this but the question is around how we do it. | | | |
| Labour imploding on 10:27 - Dec 16 with 650 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour imploding on 10:05 - Dec 16 by Gwyn737 |
That's a big issue, I agree.
If we want great public services we have to pay for them. I think most agree with this but the question is around how we do it. |
We have to pay for it in the right areas.
I see regular stories that the NHS is underfunded. It isn't. It costs nearly £200bn a year and employs around 1.5m people. I would certainly increase the salaries of the people in charge of it on the understanding that it be funded by increases in efficiency. This can go for the rest of Government too.
The tax burden has to come down, especially on businesses. | |
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| Labour imploding on 13:05 - Dec 16 with 617 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Labour imploding on 09:57 - Dec 16 by Dr_Winston |
Private industry pays for its own managers.
I suspect the problem is not so much that the NHS has too many managers, it's that NHS salaries aren't high enough to attract the best talent to fill the roles.
A senior executive at an NHS Trust can earn up to £200k per year. Nothing to be sniffed at, but a fraction of what the top talent can make in private business. So they go there instead, leaving the NHS with those who are naturally second rate, resulting in a second rate service that still costs the same.
I make the same argument about MP's and stand by it. The Prime Minister should earn at least as much as a FTSE CEO. Then perhaps we may get the right calibre of people standing for Parliament. |
Having worked in both private and public sectors, I'd say the biggest issue is one of performance, in the private sector if you don't make your objectives you are out. In the public sector there is a lot less pressure to get things done, it drove me nuts.
There are arguements about the quality of objectives in the private sector but the biggest difference I could see was the attitude to performance.
Things are a bit different at the coal face of service delivery in the public sector with well intentioned front line staff being completely let down by layers of management often with no front line experience. |  |
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| Labour imploding on 13:21 - Dec 16 with 602 views | Whiterockin |
| Labour imploding on 13:05 - Dec 16 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Having worked in both private and public sectors, I'd say the biggest issue is one of performance, in the private sector if you don't make your objectives you are out. In the public sector there is a lot less pressure to get things done, it drove me nuts.
There are arguements about the quality of objectives in the private sector but the biggest difference I could see was the attitude to performance.
Things are a bit different at the coal face of service delivery in the public sector with well intentioned front line staff being completely let down by layers of management often with no front line experience. |
And there are some who want to tax efficient companys to the hilt to pay for an inefficient public sector. You couldn't make it up. |  | | |
| Labour imploding on 15:42 - Dec 16 with 585 views | pencoedjack |
| Labour imploding on 10:27 - Dec 16 by Dr_Winston |
We have to pay for it in the right areas.
I see regular stories that the NHS is underfunded. It isn't. It costs nearly £200bn a year and employs around 1.5m people. I would certainly increase the salaries of the people in charge of it on the understanding that it be funded by increases in efficiency. This can go for the rest of Government too.
The tax burden has to come down, especially on businesses. |
As someone who works closely with the NHS from within the private sector, I fully agree that it is not underfunded. However, anyone with management experience who has spent time in hospitals will also observe significant inefficiencies.
While there are many hardworking and dedicated nurses, the level of waste present would not be tolerated in the private sector. In my view, the NHS should not be managed by successive governments that lack the practical expertise required to run such a complex organisation effectively. |  | | |
| Labour imploding on 15:56 - Dec 16 with 573 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour imploding on 13:05 - Dec 16 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Having worked in both private and public sectors, I'd say the biggest issue is one of performance, in the private sector if you don't make your objectives you are out. In the public sector there is a lot less pressure to get things done, it drove me nuts.
There are arguements about the quality of objectives in the private sector but the biggest difference I could see was the attitude to performance.
Things are a bit different at the coal face of service delivery in the public sector with well intentioned front line staff being completely let down by layers of management often with no front line experience. |
Wish I could up arrow this more than once.
The Trade Unions haven't helped with their utter horror of performance related pay. | |
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| Labour imploding on 18:11 - Dec 17 with 507 views | Whiterockin |
Labour in Wales now neck and neck with the Conservatives.
On 10%
Plaid on 33%
Reform on 30%
Drakeford, Gething and Morgan you must be proud, this downfall has come on your watch. Many of us have been pointing out the flawed policies while Labour supporters have been backing the Senedd. The times are about to change. | | | |
| Labour imploding on 10:20 - Dec 18 with 458 views | pencoedjack |
| Labour imploding on 18:11 - Dec 17 by Whiterockin |
Labour in Wales now neck and neck with the Conservatives.
On 10%
Plaid on 33%
Reform on 30%
Drakeford, Gething and Morgan you must be proud, this downfall has come on your watch. Many of us have been pointing out the flawed policies while Labour supporters have been backing the Senedd. The times are about to change. |
Things will get worse we will end up with a PC/ Labour collation. | | | |
| Labour imploding on 11:14 - Dec 18 with 432 views | Whiterockin |
| Labour imploding on 10:20 - Dec 18 by pencoedjack |
Things will get worse we will end up with a PC/ Labour collation. |
Labour will not have enough seats to form a coalition with anyone if the decline continues, it will be the Greens and Conservatives holding the balance. | | | |
| Labour imploding on 18:52 - Dec 18 with 377 views | majorraglan |
| Labour imploding on 11:14 - Dec 18 by Whiterockin |
Labour will not have enough seats to form a coalition with anyone if the decline continues, it will be the Greens and Conservatives holding the balance. |
I’m really hoping we get a coalition with someone sensible ( but I have no idea who at the stage) holding the balance of power so that we get a sensible balanced approach to governing Wales. Big majorities can result in a lack of accountability and dogma driven nonsense. [Post edited 18 Dec 18:53]
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| Labour imploding on 19:35 - Dec 18 with 357 views | max936 |
| Labour imploding on 11:14 - Dec 18 by Whiterockin |
Labour will not have enough seats to form a coalition with anyone if the decline continues, it will be the Greens and Conservatives holding the balance. |
I sometimes listen to what Darren Miller as to say on Facebook, I like what he says, but you can't trust the Torys I said that in the comments and he replied to me as well, i replied that talk is cheap, he answered with vote and try us out, it's a thought I'm considering. [Post edited 21 Dec 16:07]
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| Labour imploding on 01:11 - Dec 19 with 321 views | Robbie |
Reporting that this useless Starmer will now postpone local elections in England due to be voted on May next year , and deferred till 2027 .
What a coward , he knows he unpopular and afraid so lets buy some time please voters .
The Tories and Reform are certainly rattling his cage , red tape will solve and get me out of the mess I am in .
More AMs in Cardiff Bay wanted by a Labour Welsh Government again . I was not asked my thoughts as a Welsh voter though , instead lets do it and more snouts in the trough please .
Lets hope next May Sennedd Election will see a Party in turmoil and floundering . | | | |
| Labour imploding on 07:32 - Dec 19 with 299 views | Dr_Winston |
It should not be possible except in times of war or pandemic to delay elections. The authoritarian streak running through this Government (digital ID, press/online censorship, election delays, cancelling of press conferences) is genuinely scary and everything they accuse their enemies of being. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Labour imploding on 11:32 - Dec 19 with 261 views | onehunglow |
| Labour imploding on 01:11 - Dec 19 by Robbie |
Reporting that this useless Starmer will now postpone local elections in England due to be voted on May next year , and deferred till 2027 .
What a coward , he knows he unpopular and afraid so lets buy some time please voters .
The Tories and Reform are certainly rattling his cage , red tape will solve and get me out of the mess I am in .
More AMs in Cardiff Bay wanted by a Labour Welsh Government again . I was not asked my thoughts as a Welsh voter though , instead lets do it and more snouts in the trough please .
Lets hope next May Sennedd Election will see a Party in turmoil and floundering . |
II dont like Farage but he's rattling cages
Posh boy,ex banker ,public school,rich, dresses in country gentry mode and doesn't speak Welsh or even love Wales . HTF is he going to be popular in Merthyr or Morriston? BUT HE IS ,AT LEAST WITH SOME,but they wouldn't admit so on football forum | |
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| Labour imploding on 11:53 - Dec 19 with 253 views | builthjack |
| Labour imploding on 10:05 - Dec 16 by Gwyn737 |
That's a big issue, I agree.
If we want great public services we have to pay for them. I think most agree with this but the question is around how we do it. |
Before they start their training, which costs £250,000 -£300,000, they should sign that they will stay with the NHS for at least 10 years after the completion of training.
Or pay up if they leave in that time.
We put drivers through various training before they jump in a lorry, it costs about £4000.
so they sign that they stay for 2 years after training. Hence nobody leaves in those 2 years. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Labour imploding on 09:32 - Dec 20 with 178 views | Dr_Winston |
| Labour imploding on 07:32 - Dec 19 by Dr_Winston |
It should not be possible except in times of war or pandemic to delay elections. The authoritarian streak running through this Government (digital ID, press/online censorship, election delays, cancelling of press conferences) is genuinely scary and everything they accuse their enemies of being. |
Electoral Commission calls Labour out on its bullshit.
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Labour imploding on 10:41 - Dec 20 with 158 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Labour imploding on 09:32 - Dec 20 by Dr_Winston |
Electoral Commission calls Labour out on its bullshit.
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If the elections go ahead that’ll be the end for Starmer and he knows it. Reminds me of a scene in the new statesman where Alan b’stard is giving a speech at the Tory party conference and the slogan behind him reads “CLINGING TO POWER” 😂 |  |
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