| January transfer rumours 12:28 - Dec 14 with 116706 views | Third_Division_South |
Probably time to start this with this
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| January transfer rumours on 17:08 - Jan 10 with 5308 views | Silverfoxqpr |
| January transfer rumours on 11:38 - Jan 10 by connell10 |
I was disappointed it wasn't Obe Wan |
Is he any good in the middle of the park? |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 22:29 - Jan 10 with 4586 views | Gus_iom |
| January transfer rumours on 17:08 - Jan 10 by Silverfoxqpr |
Is he any good in the middle of the park? |
Wan Ken obi hope so.
Tenuous visually..... | |
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| January transfer rumours on 12:24 - Jan 12 with 3828 views | dannyblue |
Don’t know anything about him but boro and Bristol city are bidding for Finlay munroe, a villa left back, for £350k ish. Should interest us because he’s currently playing for Ian Holloway at L2 so we should get the inside track on scouting, and was at Chelsea academy so probably London oriented. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 13:23 - Jan 12 with 3597 views | Monkey_Roots |
| January transfer rumours on 12:24 - Jan 12 by dannyblue |
Don’t know anything about him but boro and Bristol city are bidding for Finlay munroe, a villa left back, for £350k ish. Should interest us because he’s currently playing for Ian Holloway at L2 so we should get the inside track on scouting, and was at Chelsea academy so probably London oriented. |
I think there is a well known quote about this...
"You're never more than six feet away from a Chelsea academy player". |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 16:26 - Jan 12 with 3137 views | aston_hoop |
He could do that by being fit...I guess someone elses 'performance department' would help with that. |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 16:27 - Jan 12 with 3134 views | QPRSam |
This is puzzling to me as he was due to start vs Wednesday but pulled out because of an injury. Admittedly he won't be seeing many starts from now with Edwards / Dunne | | | |
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| January transfer rumours on 16:46 - Jan 12 with 3012 views | dmm |
A loan for Morrison may not be a bad idea. He'd get the regular playing time he wants and it would free up a space for Smith on the bench. Reassess things in the summer. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 17:45 - Jan 12 with 2778 views | numptydumpty |
| January transfer rumours on 13:23 - Jan 12 by Monkey_Roots |
I think there is a well known quote about this...
"You're never more than six feet away from a Chelsea academy player". |
And there was i thinking it was six miles from a McDonald’s.
Your explanation - MonkeyRoots - is way more plausible !!!! |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 07:19 - Jan 14 with 2092 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
WLS podcast. Dave Mc saying interest in Dembele and QPR open to selling, Field could be sold. Varane more likely sold in summer.
Injuries mean sales will be in summer rather than January.
Looks like quite a few could be moved on in the summer then. | |
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| January transfer rumours on 07:59 - Jan 14 with 1950 views | Northernr |
| January transfer rumours on 07:19 - Jan 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
WLS podcast. Dave Mc saying interest in Dembele and QPR open to selling, Field could be sold. Varane more likely sold in summer.
Injuries mean sales will be in summer rather than January.
Looks like quite a few could be moved on in the summer then. |
As said on the Edwards thread, they kind of have to be. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 08:24 - Jan 14 with 1847 views | QPR_John |
| January transfer rumours on 07:19 - Jan 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
WLS podcast. Dave Mc saying interest in Dembele and QPR open to selling, Field could be sold. Varane more likely sold in summer.
Injuries mean sales will be in summer rather than January.
Looks like quite a few could be moved on in the summer then. |
Would be very disappointed to see Field go. I do wonder what he has done to upset the head coach. I would put him ahead of both Varane and Hayden. Selling both Field and Varane would leave us pretty short in the DM department. | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 08:48 - Jan 14 with 1735 views | numptydumpty |
i can understand selling Dembele and Varane. Possible decent money.
But Field a la Dunne and Smith, he is older, somewhat limited and no resale value, however he is a great squad player due to his versatility and experience | |
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| January transfer rumours on 08:50 - Jan 14 with 1733 views | TK1 |
| January transfer rumours on 08:24 - Jan 14 by QPR_John |
Would be very disappointed to see Field go. I do wonder what he has done to upset the head coach. I would put him ahead of both Varane and Hayden. Selling both Field and Varane would leave us pretty short in the DM department. |
It's nothing to do with the head coach. It's a club thing. The coach accepts the players he's given - that is the model. Stephan is open about that and it's one of the main reasons he replaced Cifuentes. They've been trying to sell Field since the summer, they failed to do so last window even though wished to. As Dave Mc says in the pod, injuries may muddy those waters this window, but they need to move players like Field on for the model to work. At 27, he can't be a squad player. | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 09:02 - Jan 14 with 1684 views | TK1 |
| January transfer rumours on 08:48 - Jan 14 by numptydumpty |
i can understand selling Dembele and Varane. Possible decent money.
But Field a la Dunne and Smith, he is older, somewhat limited and no resale value, however he is a great squad player due to his versatility and experience |
Field, Dunne and Smyth's combined wages come to around £1.2 million a year without bonuses.
Only Dunne out of those are regular starters. The club's ideal would be to move all three on this summer, I imagine, recoup around £5m in combined sales and allocate those wages elsewhere.
A "great squad player" in the current model is not a 27-year-old with hundreds of appearances to his name, being used sparingly often out of position in a system that doesn't suit his talents while being paid £400k pa to do so.
A great squad player in the current model is a 21, 22-year-old stepping up from L1 or 2 equivalent, on less than half as much money, to be developed over a number of seasons to be then sold in his prime.
Sam Field doesn't want to be a bit part player. He doesn't deserve to be, either. Be best for all if club can sell (wages may be an issue though). [Post edited 14 Jan 9:04]
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| January transfer rumours on 09:09 - Jan 14 with 1641 views | wombat |
| January transfer rumours on 09:02 - Jan 14 by TK1 |
Field, Dunne and Smyth's combined wages come to around £1.2 million a year without bonuses.
Only Dunne out of those are regular starters. The club's ideal would be to move all three on this summer, I imagine, recoup around £5m in combined sales and allocate those wages elsewhere.
A "great squad player" in the current model is not a 27-year-old with hundreds of appearances to his name, being used sparingly often out of position in a system that doesn't suit his talents while being paid £400k pa to do so.
A great squad player in the current model is a 21, 22-year-old stepping up from L1 or 2 equivalent, on less than half as much money, to be developed over a number of seasons to be then sold in his prime.
Sam Field doesn't want to be a bit part player. He doesn't deserve to be, either. Be best for all if club can sell (wages may be an issue though). [Post edited 14 Jan 9:04]
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its a shame if field does go as hes a better option than most we presently have in midfield id say . esp on defensive work when played in his actual correct postion ,
happliy take the money for varanne and dembele though.
obv the project is to buy cheap sell big , but u still need then old timers in the sqaud to help when things get tough |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 09:23 - Jan 14 with 1541 views | Hunterhoop |
| January transfer rumours on 09:02 - Jan 14 by TK1 |
Field, Dunne and Smyth's combined wages come to around £1.2 million a year without bonuses.
Only Dunne out of those are regular starters. The club's ideal would be to move all three on this summer, I imagine, recoup around £5m in combined sales and allocate those wages elsewhere.
A "great squad player" in the current model is not a 27-year-old with hundreds of appearances to his name, being used sparingly often out of position in a system that doesn't suit his talents while being paid £400k pa to do so.
A great squad player in the current model is a 21, 22-year-old stepping up from L1 or 2 equivalent, on less than half as much money, to be developed over a number of seasons to be then sold in his prime.
Sam Field doesn't want to be a bit part player. He doesn't deserve to be, either. Be best for all if club can sell (wages may be an issue though). [Post edited 14 Jan 9:04]
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Where are those figures from?
I’d be very surprised if Field (and Dunne) aren’t on a lot more than £8k per week. Both have had recent long term contract extensions which will have come with salary rises. My guess is your 1.2m figure is half what it could be.
An experienced squad player on £8k a week would actually be decent value. But I get the point that someone on double that wouldn’t be.
What does this say about Isaac Hayden though? Potentially on similar money and 4-5 years older… Yet the club proactively signed him this season. Doesn’t seemed aligned or consistent as a strategy.
My issue is that I don’t think he should be a squad player. I think he should be starting, so I’d keep him.
But it’s clear they have been trying to force him out.
I don’t think there is a load of strategy or long term thinking at play with regards to who we sell.
We need to sell, given everything we have spent, some of our players won’t get any interest due to time left on their contract, age, form, injuries, so we’ll get what we can for the rest.
Dunne and Field are 28/27 and contracted for another 3.5 years most likely, so we have some leverage if there is interest. The issue, if there isn’t much interest, is we’ll have to give them away to get the salaries off the books, which is where the approach fails. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 09:40 - Jan 14 with 1447 views | dm97 |
| January transfer rumours on 09:23 - Jan 14 by Hunterhoop |
Where are those figures from?
I’d be very surprised if Field (and Dunne) aren’t on a lot more than £8k per week. Both have had recent long term contract extensions which will have come with salary rises. My guess is your 1.2m figure is half what it could be.
An experienced squad player on £8k a week would actually be decent value. But I get the point that someone on double that wouldn’t be.
What does this say about Isaac Hayden though? Potentially on similar money and 4-5 years older… Yet the club proactively signed him this season. Doesn’t seemed aligned or consistent as a strategy.
My issue is that I don’t think he should be a squad player. I think he should be starting, so I’d keep him.
But it’s clear they have been trying to force him out.
I don’t think there is a load of strategy or long term thinking at play with regards to who we sell.
We need to sell, given everything we have spent, some of our players won’t get any interest due to time left on their contract, age, form, injuries, so we’ll get what we can for the rest.
Dunne and Field are 28/27 and contracted for another 3.5 years most likely, so we have some leverage if there is interest. The issue, if there isn’t much interest, is we’ll have to give them away to get the salaries off the books, which is where the approach fails. |
I don’t think anybody can look at the start to the season, the fact Hayden was free all summer, and the fact he wanted to join and not concede it was quite obviously a panic buy after a gubbing.
That said, I don’t think Field, Smyth, Chair and to a lesser extent Dunne have done anything to suggest they are leaders. Either in the way they act on the field or the way they play (Dunne improving on that recently so may become one).
If you’re going to deploy this approach of spending all your money on shiny u24s then you need someone in the building who has actually achieved things before and understands what it takes to succeed. That’s why I’m reticent to ship too many Haydens Cooks et al at once and why I don’t think the Hayden signing was/is a bad thing even if he’s no more than a squad player.
For what it’s worth I wouldn’t sell Field either, but only because you’ll get nothing for him. This model only works when we’re selling players for good money as you say H. Selling a Field or Smyth for a few hundred grand is nigh on pointless. He’s more good to us on the books than in the bank imo. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 09:47 - Jan 14 with 1397 views | TK1 |
| January transfer rumours on 09:23 - Jan 14 by Hunterhoop |
Where are those figures from?
I’d be very surprised if Field (and Dunne) aren’t on a lot more than £8k per week. Both have had recent long term contract extensions which will have come with salary rises. My guess is your 1.2m figure is half what it could be.
An experienced squad player on £8k a week would actually be decent value. But I get the point that someone on double that wouldn’t be.
What does this say about Isaac Hayden though? Potentially on similar money and 4-5 years older… Yet the club proactively signed him this season. Doesn’t seemed aligned or consistent as a strategy.
My issue is that I don’t think he should be a squad player. I think he should be starting, so I’d keep him.
But it’s clear they have been trying to force him out.
I don’t think there is a load of strategy or long term thinking at play with regards to who we sell.
We need to sell, given everything we have spent, some of our players won’t get any interest due to time left on their contract, age, form, injuries, so we’ll get what we can for the rest.
Dunne and Field are 28/27 and contracted for another 3.5 years most likely, so we have some leverage if there is interest. The issue, if there isn’t much interest, is we’ll have to give them away to get the salaries off the books, which is where the approach fails. |
Very conservative guess based on https://www.capology.com/playe which is in no way bona fide. Estimate that they're on at least £400-500k a year, but agree that Dunne in particular is probably on a lot more.
I was keen to point out to Numpty that having experienced squad players is expensive, is all. Also, unfair on such a capable Championship player as Field in his prime.
I imagine Hayden they see as an experienced squad player, great in the dressing room and for driving standards, who's better suited to understudy a Varane-type rather than Field who rightly wants to be a regular starter. A successful season for Hayden based on his history would be 20 Championship games - a number he's not managed in six years. 30 league games is a dream he's not realised in a decade.
*I am not saying I agree, just my reading* | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 10:01 - Jan 14 with 1293 views | wombat |
| January transfer rumours on 09:47 - Jan 14 by TK1 |
Very conservative guess based on https://www.capology.com/playe which is in no way bona fide. Estimate that they're on at least £400-500k a year, but agree that Dunne in particular is probably on a lot more.
I was keen to point out to Numpty that having experienced squad players is expensive, is all. Also, unfair on such a capable Championship player as Field in his prime.
I imagine Hayden they see as an experienced squad player, great in the dressing room and for driving standards, who's better suited to understudy a Varane-type rather than Field who rightly wants to be a regular starter. A successful season for Hayden based on his history would be 20 Championship games - a number he's not managed in six years. 30 league games is a dream he's not realised in a decade.
*I am not saying I agree, just my reading* |
if we have a squad of shiny sellable players it will fail , same as at the start of the season got bummed at cov and went lets ditch the project the next day because we are gonna be hammered if this carries on much longer.
u have to cherry pick say two shiny sellable players and bed them into a half decent side to make it work not do what we have done twice now and chuck them in at once watch themn slowly loose any confidence , talent they might have by gettiung hammered each game . its got to be a mix of older and young not all in with the kids , it wont work as we well know .
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| January transfer rumours on 10:05 - Jan 14 with 1249 views | Hunterhoop |
So what you’re both saying is the squad building/management has been somewhat messy, and, because of all the money we have spent, we may need to sell some reliable, “good sort” bench players (starters in the recent past), with years of good service, on long term deals, for relatively little.
Wonderful. That sound strategic…
I refer people back to Nourry’s comments when he extended Field onto this massive deal last May.
He talked about how he’d secured the long term futures of the spine of the side now: JCS, Field, Chair, around which they could build with new, high potential signings, and young players. He then re-signed Dunne a month or two later. He spoke of their commitment to the project.
Now, actually, we need to sell some of them, because the bets placed on the £25m of new signings haven’t yet come off - in that we might not be able to sell any of them this summer, or not sell enough - so actually, some of that spine needs to be shifted too. And if you shift the likes of Field can’t replace with more U24s for risk of the team/squad becoming unbalanced. You do need some experience on the pitch. People who organise and do the donkey work off the ball.
I’m sorry. It’s not strategic. It’s flying by the seat of your pants stuff.
I absolutely get that things change in football and in business.
But just like the game model (all hot and heavy, and public about it, to ditching it, allowing the Head Coach to play his own system, and start referring to it as some broad concept in the ether), this is another major thing on the playing side where we’re completely pivoting from what the CEO/DOF himself said less than a year ago. Why? Because we need it to fund his rampant desire to play Football Manager in real life.
I’m sure people will think I’m being unfair. Perhaps I am. But it feels an awful lot like he’s making up the approach as he goes along. | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 10:14 - Jan 14 with 1178 views | TheChef |
Field is still a mystifying one. Been an ever present till this season, reliable, hardly ever injured. But he's been thrown under the bus so that Varane can display his talents (ahem) and now that he's injured, the older Hayden has been preferred as his replacement. While Field fills in occasionally at left back with mixed results. So what was the point of the big contract extension?
Really can't tell if this is a Stephan choice or a directive from Boy King Nourry.
Either way, it's crap. |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 10:15 - Jan 14 with 1170 views | nadera78 |
| January transfer rumours on 10:05 - Jan 14 by Hunterhoop |
So what you’re both saying is the squad building/management has been somewhat messy, and, because of all the money we have spent, we may need to sell some reliable, “good sort” bench players (starters in the recent past), with years of good service, on long term deals, for relatively little.
Wonderful. That sound strategic…
I refer people back to Nourry’s comments when he extended Field onto this massive deal last May.
He talked about how he’d secured the long term futures of the spine of the side now: JCS, Field, Chair, around which they could build with new, high potential signings, and young players. He then re-signed Dunne a month or two later. He spoke of their commitment to the project.
Now, actually, we need to sell some of them, because the bets placed on the £25m of new signings haven’t yet come off - in that we might not be able to sell any of them this summer, or not sell enough - so actually, some of that spine needs to be shifted too. And if you shift the likes of Field can’t replace with more U24s for risk of the team/squad becoming unbalanced. You do need some experience on the pitch. People who organise and do the donkey work off the ball.
I’m sorry. It’s not strategic. It’s flying by the seat of your pants stuff.
I absolutely get that things change in football and in business.
But just like the game model (all hot and heavy, and public about it, to ditching it, allowing the Head Coach to play his own system, and start referring to it as some broad concept in the ether), this is another major thing on the playing side where we’re completely pivoting from what the CEO/DOF himself said less than a year ago. Why? Because we need it to fund his rampant desire to play Football Manager in real life.
I’m sure people will think I’m being unfair. Perhaps I am. But it feels an awful lot like he’s making up the approach as he goes along. |
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| January transfer rumours on 10:22 - Jan 14 with 1140 views | TK1 |
| January transfer rumours on 10:05 - Jan 14 by Hunterhoop |
So what you’re both saying is the squad building/management has been somewhat messy, and, because of all the money we have spent, we may need to sell some reliable, “good sort” bench players (starters in the recent past), with years of good service, on long term deals, for relatively little.
Wonderful. That sound strategic…
I refer people back to Nourry’s comments when he extended Field onto this massive deal last May.
He talked about how he’d secured the long term futures of the spine of the side now: JCS, Field, Chair, around which they could build with new, high potential signings, and young players. He then re-signed Dunne a month or two later. He spoke of their commitment to the project.
Now, actually, we need to sell some of them, because the bets placed on the £25m of new signings haven’t yet come off - in that we might not be able to sell any of them this summer, or not sell enough - so actually, some of that spine needs to be shifted too. And if you shift the likes of Field can’t replace with more U24s for risk of the team/squad becoming unbalanced. You do need some experience on the pitch. People who organise and do the donkey work off the ball.
I’m sorry. It’s not strategic. It’s flying by the seat of your pants stuff.
I absolutely get that things change in football and in business.
But just like the game model (all hot and heavy, and public about it, to ditching it, allowing the Head Coach to play his own system, and start referring to it as some broad concept in the ether), this is another major thing on the playing side where we’re completely pivoting from what the CEO/DOF himself said less than a year ago. Why? Because we need it to fund his rampant desire to play Football Manager in real life.
I’m sure people will think I’m being unfair. Perhaps I am. But it feels an awful lot like he’s making up the approach as he goes along. |
Well, we can agree that the strategy appears in some regards dubious - though we don't know any true figures - while perhaps also acknowledging that current injuries notwithstanding the squad is also currently as good as it's been in a good while. We need a full back or two. But it's nicely balanced, filed with youth and experience right now? Work in progress, but there is, to my eyes, progress.
I don't think Nourry could've got away with saying that they've extended Sam Field's contract in order to sell him in the next year. But that's what they did to all extents and purposes. Same I imagine with Smyth.
Players have to be sold. But they've done pretty well with the buying the last few windows, I think. | | | |
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