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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 20:31 - Sep 20 with 2164 views | EllDale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 23:01 - Sep 19 by R17ALE |
I agree Shun.
I recently took the tram to Manchester which went through Oldham. The amount of boarded up windows I saw through the shoddy* town of Oldham made me wonder if their locals still thought the Window Tax was in existence.
I imagine window cleaners in Oldham have to carry a sander.
*Apparently Rochdale folk used to call Oldham a shoddy town 150 years ago because the cloth they produced in their mills was inferior to Rochdale cloth.
As for the game - not that good, but the battling we want was there. As they say, "it's who wants it the most". That was us today. |
I’ve just been reading on one media outlet of chaotic scenes at Oldham council meetings where the the town is described as “ungovernable”. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 21:26 - Sep 20 with 2047 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 20:31 - Sep 20 by EllDale |
I’ve just been reading on one media outlet of chaotic scenes at Oldham council meetings where the the town is described as “ungovernable”. |
Let's get this right
Rochdale has one of the best town centres in the country, and there are outstanding areas surrounding the town; the Lake, Healey Dell, the Pennine moors
The main problem with the town is the people who run it down. The negativity is off the scale, and for our yoof to be continuing with that is perhaps a reflection of their parents
Rochdale is a better place to live than Oldham, and by some margin. Town of Culture, our outstanding music festival. winner of Town in Bloom awards, the sixth form college on top of the national league table, the Co-Op... i could go on
Late yesterday afternoon, after a post-match celebratory pint at the Twisted Mule (what a great place that is) i headed into town and there were skirmishes between Dale and Oldham yoof. At the same time, the Steampunk event was ending at the town hall and people with incredible outfits were heading into town, totally bemused by what was kicking off
It's the shite people who bring their kids up to sing like kneejerks "We already know" - they know f*ck all, but Oldham shite people know even less than f*ck all
Just stop it, kids. If you want to live in a shithole, try some of the London districts, except you wouldn't survive two minutes in those places [Post edited 20 Sep 21:30]
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 09:15 - Sep 21 with 1612 views | EllDale |
The more I see that first goal the more I realise what a well worked move it was. | | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 10:35 - Sep 21 with 1465 views | ChaffRAFC |
I find the chant amusing. It's not that deep whatsoever. And having lived right in the centre of Rochdale for over a year recently, I can tell you that a lot of it is awful. Yorkshire Street is an absolute disgrace and nobody shops there because there's nowhere to shop. Even the Riverside has had shops come and go and the JD Sports there is tiny compared to what it needs to be. Nitpicking maybe but who cares if kids thinks the town is a shit hole. I find it an amusing response.
Bit of self depreciation like most other clubs use in their chants in someway. |  |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 18:17 - Sep 21 with 1069 views | D_Alien |
A great email has landed from the For Generations To Come initiative by the club
This is superb work, and taking positive steps to celebrate the good things about Rochdale whilst also seeking to make those things that need improvement better
An ounce of positivity goes so much further than the tons of negativity that's surrounded the town for decades
If people want to, they can easily find deprivation and boarded up shops almost anywhere in the country. Rochdale in no exception, but we should no longer be prepared to accept the downward spiral. I've lived through it; it can be, and is being turned around | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 12:11 - Sep 22 with 594 views | JimmyRustler |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 21:26 - Sep 20 by D_Alien |
Let's get this right
Rochdale has one of the best town centres in the country, and there are outstanding areas surrounding the town; the Lake, Healey Dell, the Pennine moors
The main problem with the town is the people who run it down. The negativity is off the scale, and for our yoof to be continuing with that is perhaps a reflection of their parents
Rochdale is a better place to live than Oldham, and by some margin. Town of Culture, our outstanding music festival. winner of Town in Bloom awards, the sixth form college on top of the national league table, the Co-Op... i could go on
Late yesterday afternoon, after a post-match celebratory pint at the Twisted Mule (what a great place that is) i headed into town and there were skirmishes between Dale and Oldham yoof. At the same time, the Steampunk event was ending at the town hall and people with incredible outfits were heading into town, totally bemused by what was kicking off
It's the shite people who bring their kids up to sing like kneejerks "We already know" - they know f*ck all, but Oldham shite people know even less than f*ck all
Just stop it, kids. If you want to live in a shithole, try some of the London districts, except you wouldn't survive two minutes in those places [Post edited 20 Sep 21:30]
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I hate to say it but those London districts that you refer to as shitholes (and you are correct) are where I and many others I speak to see Rochdale ending up in circa 10 years (or less) unless something drastically changes and fast.
I can’t help but shed a tear when I walk up Yorkshire street and see what it has become, given that I spent so many good memories there as a child in what was a thriving metropolitan melting pot. Unfortunately, the exchange is also largely the same and we don’t even have the wheatsheaf to even bash anymore.
I will always love Rochdale but save the aforementioned physical beauty and landmarks already mentioned, the centre is gash and getting gasher |  | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 12:35 - Sep 22 with 557 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 12:11 - Sep 22 by JimmyRustler |
I hate to say it but those London districts that you refer to as shitholes (and you are correct) are where I and many others I speak to see Rochdale ending up in circa 10 years (or less) unless something drastically changes and fast.
I can’t help but shed a tear when I walk up Yorkshire street and see what it has become, given that I spent so many good memories there as a child in what was a thriving metropolitan melting pot. Unfortunately, the exchange is also largely the same and we don’t even have the wheatsheaf to even bash anymore.
I will always love Rochdale but save the aforementioned physical beauty and landmarks already mentioned, the centre is gash and getting gasher |
What do you have in mind, when you speak of "changes"?
My point is very much that it's no worse than many another urban centre, but if we retain a mindset that we live in a rubbish place, that's exactly what will result in it remaining rubbish, or getting worse
The nature of retail facilities has, of course, changed considerably from say, 50 years ago. Shedding a tear over that isn't going to make locals change their shopping behaviour. There are also some of the best pubs in the region in the centre, award-winning pubs
People can choose to look at the areas of decay, or use these pubs, restaurants and leisure facilities to help make the centre a better place. I certainly do!
These days, i also spend a good deal of time in a very different part of the country. I can tell you, it's no different there, although there may be a bit more money to spend. It's really not just abaout money though - it's people's attitudes - that's the difference i've found, so i speak out of experience and of course, with conviction because i don't share those negative attitudes, or the typical Rochdale "we're doomed" mindset; that should be clear enough! [Post edited 22 Sep 12:44]
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 14:42 - Sep 22 with 414 views | JimmyRustler |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 12:35 - Sep 22 by D_Alien |
What do you have in mind, when you speak of "changes"?
My point is very much that it's no worse than many another urban centre, but if we retain a mindset that we live in a rubbish place, that's exactly what will result in it remaining rubbish, or getting worse
The nature of retail facilities has, of course, changed considerably from say, 50 years ago. Shedding a tear over that isn't going to make locals change their shopping behaviour. There are also some of the best pubs in the region in the centre, award-winning pubs
People can choose to look at the areas of decay, or use these pubs, restaurants and leisure facilities to help make the centre a better place. I certainly do!
These days, i also spend a good deal of time in a very different part of the country. I can tell you, it's no different there, although there may be a bit more money to spend. It's really not just abaout money though - it's people's attitudes - that's the difference i've found, so i speak out of experience and of course, with conviction because i don't share those negative attitudes, or the typical Rochdale "we're doomed" mindset; that should be clear enough! [Post edited 22 Sep 12:44]
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I believe that you’re right that we aren’t much different in comparison to many other small or traditionally industrial towns in the North West.
In terms of changes, it starts at the top. In the current climate, starting your own business or even just taking over and running an existing one is something that many people cannot afford. Business rates and the recent VAT hike has left those with medium sized businesses in a difficult position. This is not designed to be a political assassination either as I believe that what we are seeing now results from poor governance and decision making (or neglect) stretching back a couple of decades.
The only way to properly regenerate the town centre is to get more independent businesses into these empty premises and then of course get people to utilise them. Otherwise, we will be left with more pound shops (and god knows whatever else). But how do we do that? Who knows.
You can tell a lot about an area from the quality of the shops occupying its town centre. We may not be any different to many local towns but that doesn’t detract from the point that the centre is largely a depressing place to be. And I don’t think that’s particularly over the top negativity, it just seems to be a view held by many. Hence why the majority would rather go to Bury to do their shopping (who are doing a far better job than we are) or even take a short trip to Manchester | | | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 16:33 - Sep 22 with 313 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 14:42 - Sep 22 by JimmyRustler |
I believe that you’re right that we aren’t much different in comparison to many other small or traditionally industrial towns in the North West.
In terms of changes, it starts at the top. In the current climate, starting your own business or even just taking over and running an existing one is something that many people cannot afford. Business rates and the recent VAT hike has left those with medium sized businesses in a difficult position. This is not designed to be a political assassination either as I believe that what we are seeing now results from poor governance and decision making (or neglect) stretching back a couple of decades.
The only way to properly regenerate the town centre is to get more independent businesses into these empty premises and then of course get people to utilise them. Otherwise, we will be left with more pound shops (and god knows whatever else). But how do we do that? Who knows.
You can tell a lot about an area from the quality of the shops occupying its town centre. We may not be any different to many local towns but that doesn’t detract from the point that the centre is largely a depressing place to be. And I don’t think that’s particularly over the top negativity, it just seems to be a view held by many. Hence why the majority would rather go to Bury to do their shopping (who are doing a far better job than we are) or even take a short trip to Manchester |
There's a lot i agree with there: another factor, the price of utilities such as gas, electricity and water, which have risen either as a result of infrastructure neglect or deliberate policy (by all administrations) and impact on businesses as well as the rest of us (the current conflict in the middle east notwithstanding)
There's more to life than shopping (not suggesting you think otherwise) but i personally have never once felt remotely depressed by our shopping streets [Post edited 22 Sep 16:44]
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 18:55 - Sep 22 with 165 views | tony_roch975 |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 18:17 - Sep 21 by D_Alien |
A great email has landed from the For Generations To Come initiative by the club
This is superb work, and taking positive steps to celebrate the good things about Rochdale whilst also seeking to make those things that need improvement better
An ounce of positivity goes so much further than the tons of negativity that's surrounded the town for decades
If people want to, they can easily find deprivation and boarded up shops almost anywhere in the country. Rochdale in no exception, but we should no longer be prepared to accept the downward spiral. I've lived through it; it can be, and is being turned around |
I'm going to a Generations To Come gathering tomorrow. | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 19:57 - Sep 22 with 112 views | D_Alien |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 18:55 - Sep 22 by tony_roch975 |
I'm going to a Generations To Come gathering tomorrow. |
At the Ukrainian Club?
I'll be there too | |
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| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 20:50 - Sep 22 with 51 views | 49thseason |
Some food for thought, Rochdale is one of the poorest towns in the UK , But the UK is becoming a poor Nation
Here is the direct comparison of how the United Kingdom would rank if it were dropped into the list of 51 US states (including Washington, D.C.), using the latest per capita statistical benchmarks:
## 📊 The Rankings Overview
* Total Homicide Rate: 51st (Absolute Safest)
* The Data: The UK's homicide rate sits at ~0.86 to 1.15 per 100,000 residents.
* The Comparison: This is lower than America's safest state, New Hampshire (~1.4 per 100,000), and roughly five times lower than the US national average (~5.0 per 100,000).
* Knife Homicide Rate: ~35th (Lower-Middle Tier)
* The Data: The UK records ~0.35 to 0.48 fatal stabbings per 100,000 residents annually.
* The Comparison: This is slightly safer than the US national average (~0.53 per 100,000), but higher than roughly 15 low-crime US states like Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire.
* Children in State Care: ~25th (Middle Tier)
* The Data: The UK has a rate of 670 children in care per 100,000 under-18s.
* The Comparison: This sits just below the US national average (~700 to 750 per 100,000). It is vastly safer than crisis states like West Virginia (1,710 per 100,000) but higher than restrictive states like New Jersey (137 per 100,000).
* Gang Grooming & Exploitation: Top 5 Worst (Highest Tier)
* The Data: Driven by highly organized "County Lines" drug syndicates and street rings, the UK processes roughly 110 out of every 100,000 children through formal safeguarding exploitation systems.
* The Comparison: This per capita rate of structural youth exploitation places the UK alongside America's highest-risk urban states like California, Texas, and Illinois.
* Civilian Unemployment Rate: 43rd (High Unemployment Tier)
* The Data: The UK's active unemployment rate sits at 4.9%.
* The Comparison: This tracks far worse than the US national average (4.1%), matching high-unemployment states like Washington (4.9%) and sitting just under Washington D.C. (5.9%).
* Household Debt-to-GDP Ratio: Top 10 Highest (Upper Tier)
* The Data: Driven by heavily leveraged, short-term mortgage debt, UK household debt sits at 77.0% of nominal GDP.
* The Comparison: This out-paces the US national baseline (67.7%) and ranks just behind hyper-expensive US real estate markets like Hawaii and California (>80%).
* 5-Year Cancer Survival Rates: 51st (Absolute Bottom)
* The Data: Due to systemic NHS diagnostic logjams, late-stage detection, and slower treatment timelines, the UK lags globally.
* The Comparison: An individual diagnosed with cancer in the UK has a lower statistical probability of 5-year survival (e.g., ~86% for breast cancer, ~17-20% for lung cancer) than a patient in any of the 50 US states.
If the UK were a US state, it would rank 51st (dead last) for GDP per capita, placing it behind Mississippi and every single U.S. state.
The Reality vs. Public Perception
Actual Standing: Data highlighted by the Institute of Economic Affairs shows the UK's economic output per person sits below the lowest-ranking American state.
Public Guess: In surveys, the average British respondent guessed that the UK would rank around 7th among US states, assuming it was wealthier than most of America.The Numbers: UK GDP per capita hovers around $57,000, whereas Mississippi (the lowest US state) exceeds $55,800 to $56,000+ in nominal terms, and the broader US average is closer to $93,000. |  | | |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 21:06 - Sep 22 with 8 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Rochdale v Oldham Athletic on 20:50 - Sep 22 by 49thseason |
Some food for thought, Rochdale is one of the poorest towns in the UK , But the UK is becoming a poor Nation
Here is the direct comparison of how the United Kingdom would rank if it were dropped into the list of 51 US states (including Washington, D.C.), using the latest per capita statistical benchmarks:
## 📊 The Rankings Overview
* Total Homicide Rate: 51st (Absolute Safest)
* The Data: The UK's homicide rate sits at ~0.86 to 1.15 per 100,000 residents.
* The Comparison: This is lower than America's safest state, New Hampshire (~1.4 per 100,000), and roughly five times lower than the US national average (~5.0 per 100,000).
* Knife Homicide Rate: ~35th (Lower-Middle Tier)
* The Data: The UK records ~0.35 to 0.48 fatal stabbings per 100,000 residents annually.
* The Comparison: This is slightly safer than the US national average (~0.53 per 100,000), but higher than roughly 15 low-crime US states like Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire.
* Children in State Care: ~25th (Middle Tier)
* The Data: The UK has a rate of 670 children in care per 100,000 under-18s.
* The Comparison: This sits just below the US national average (~700 to 750 per 100,000). It is vastly safer than crisis states like West Virginia (1,710 per 100,000) but higher than restrictive states like New Jersey (137 per 100,000).
* Gang Grooming & Exploitation: Top 5 Worst (Highest Tier)
* The Data: Driven by highly organized "County Lines" drug syndicates and street rings, the UK processes roughly 110 out of every 100,000 children through formal safeguarding exploitation systems.
* The Comparison: This per capita rate of structural youth exploitation places the UK alongside America's highest-risk urban states like California, Texas, and Illinois.
* Civilian Unemployment Rate: 43rd (High Unemployment Tier)
* The Data: The UK's active unemployment rate sits at 4.9%.
* The Comparison: This tracks far worse than the US national average (4.1%), matching high-unemployment states like Washington (4.9%) and sitting just under Washington D.C. (5.9%).
* Household Debt-to-GDP Ratio: Top 10 Highest (Upper Tier)
* The Data: Driven by heavily leveraged, short-term mortgage debt, UK household debt sits at 77.0% of nominal GDP.
* The Comparison: This out-paces the US national baseline (67.7%) and ranks just behind hyper-expensive US real estate markets like Hawaii and California (>80%).
* 5-Year Cancer Survival Rates: 51st (Absolute Bottom)
* The Data: Due to systemic NHS diagnostic logjams, late-stage detection, and slower treatment timelines, the UK lags globally.
* The Comparison: An individual diagnosed with cancer in the UK has a lower statistical probability of 5-year survival (e.g., ~86% for breast cancer, ~17-20% for lung cancer) than a patient in any of the 50 US states.
If the UK were a US state, it would rank 51st (dead last) for GDP per capita, placing it behind Mississippi and every single U.S. state.
The Reality vs. Public Perception
Actual Standing: Data highlighted by the Institute of Economic Affairs shows the UK's economic output per person sits below the lowest-ranking American state.
Public Guess: In surveys, the average British respondent guessed that the UK would rank around 7th among US states, assuming it was wealthier than most of America.The Numbers: UK GDP per capita hovers around $57,000, whereas Mississippi (the lowest US state) exceeds $55,800 to $56,000+ in nominal terms, and the broader US average is closer to $93,000. |
Will this be on a flip chart at the Ukrainian club?
Not sure why comparisons to America are going to help improving the town. |  |
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