| England v NZ thread 17:32 - May 16 with 2092 views | ColDale |
Very concerned about Compton at the top of the innings. He seems to have weakened what was an excellent top order, and I know Strauss is very difficult to replace, but we've become somewhat brittle. I know he got a couple of tons in NZ, but I hate to say I agree with the Yorkies, but I'd feel much more comfortable with Root alongside Cook at the top. |  | | |  |
| England v NZ thread on 17:39 - May 16 with 1034 views | D_Alien |
Not massively concerned, but it won't be long before Root finds himself in his rightful place opening alongside Cook. What an opening partnership that could be! |  |
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| England v NZ thread on 18:23 - May 16 with 996 views | AtThePeake |
| England v NZ thread on 17:39 - May 16 by D_Alien |
Not massively concerned, but it won't be long before Root finds himself in his rightful place opening alongside Cook. What an opening partnership that could be! |
Could be dominant for years with them two opening.
Agreed about Compton, he's certainly lacking something that's preventing him from being good enough to regularly open for England. |  |
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| England v NZ thread on 19:45 - May 16 with 968 views | ChaffRAFC |
Wouldn't say I'm massively concerned but I would prefer to see Root open alongside Cook. If there is a weak link then Compton is it but to me it does show just how far we've come because he's a good player. |  |
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| England v NZ thread on 20:16 - May 16 with 948 views | ColDale |
| England v NZ thread on 19:45 - May 16 by ChaffRAFC |
Wouldn't say I'm massively concerned but I would prefer to see Root open alongside Cook. If there is a weak link then Compton is it but to me it does show just how far we've come because he's a good player. |
he's obviously a good player, and maybe I'm scapegoating him a little, but without doing any research whatsoever, I'd reckon
* Compton is out first 75% of times
* Cook's average alongside Compton is his lowest of with any partner
* Trott's coming in sooner than normal, isn't helped by a less commanding opening partnership.
Facts might prove all of that to be utter bollocks.
Just concerned that if Kiwis can get the measure of him, the Aussies will be absolutely pinpointing him. He's 29 so its not like he's one for the future. | | | |
| England v NZ thread on 00:39 - May 17 with 906 views | Daley_Lama |
I'm a Compton outer like thee Col ,but equally I don't blame him one bit.
The balance of the team is currently totally wrong in terms of batting.
Our best batsman is Cook. He needs an oppo when starting an innings to be agressive, as Strauss was. It lets him do what he does best, not worry about his own scoring rate and bat naturally for the first session.
Compton is not that man. He's a fine batsman, has back to back centuries but isn't that man.
With Trott following at 3, it's more of the same.
The turgid run rate all day today was due to this. Win the toss and then score at 2 an over all day? You can credit the opposition bowlers to some extent but the real reason is because the top 3 are all defensive.
It needs that balance and the answer is staring everybody in the face for the Ashes.
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Bairstow
Prior
The 2nd test match should reflect that. With KP out its
Cook
Root
Trott
Bell
Bairstow
Bopara/Taylor/Morgan/whoever
Prior
Tough on Compton but the sum of the parts is the key thing at cricket.
It wont happen though. I fully expect the Aussie bowlers to enjoy losing the toss in any test match and have 2 hours of free bowling at an opening English attack who score at 2 runs per over.
New Zeland did in the winter at any rate and did so again today.
It's a very similar situation to Jonathon Trotts position in the ODI team. |  |
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| England v NZ thread on 07:41 - May 17 with 891 views | TalkingSutty |
| England v NZ thread on 00:39 - May 17 by Daley_Lama |
I'm a Compton outer like thee Col ,but equally I don't blame him one bit.
The balance of the team is currently totally wrong in terms of batting.
Our best batsman is Cook. He needs an oppo when starting an innings to be agressive, as Strauss was. It lets him do what he does best, not worry about his own scoring rate and bat naturally for the first session.
Compton is not that man. He's a fine batsman, has back to back centuries but isn't that man.
With Trott following at 3, it's more of the same.
The turgid run rate all day today was due to this. Win the toss and then score at 2 an over all day? You can credit the opposition bowlers to some extent but the real reason is because the top 3 are all defensive.
It needs that balance and the answer is staring everybody in the face for the Ashes.
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Bairstow
Prior
The 2nd test match should reflect that. With KP out its
Cook
Root
Trott
Bell
Bairstow
Bopara/Taylor/Morgan/whoever
Prior
Tough on Compton but the sum of the parts is the key thing at cricket.
It wont happen though. I fully expect the Aussie bowlers to enjoy losing the toss in any test match and have 2 hours of free bowling at an opening English attack who score at 2 runs per over.
New Zeland did in the winter at any rate and did so again today.
It's a very similar situation to Jonathon Trotts position in the ODI team. |
Agree regarding Compton, good player but not quite good enough. Trott is class on the other hand though, the type of player who will win us a Ashes Test Match Home or away.
I dont have any concerns regarding the England team and its great to see Root blossoming,it will be interesting to see how he does when he has a loss of form though, i reckon he will be ok because he can graft when he needs to.
I do think New Zealand are very underated though and they have some very good cricketers in that team. It wouldnt surprise me if they give us a tougher examination than the Aussies !!
Anybody going to the Test match at Headingley next weekend ?
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| England v NZ thread on 10:02 - May 17 with 849 views | D_Alien |
| England v NZ thread on 00:39 - May 17 by Daley_Lama |
I'm a Compton outer like thee Col ,but equally I don't blame him one bit.
The balance of the team is currently totally wrong in terms of batting.
Our best batsman is Cook. He needs an oppo when starting an innings to be agressive, as Strauss was. It lets him do what he does best, not worry about his own scoring rate and bat naturally for the first session.
Compton is not that man. He's a fine batsman, has back to back centuries but isn't that man.
With Trott following at 3, it's more of the same.
The turgid run rate all day today was due to this. Win the toss and then score at 2 an over all day? You can credit the opposition bowlers to some extent but the real reason is because the top 3 are all defensive.
It needs that balance and the answer is staring everybody in the face for the Ashes.
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Bairstow
Prior
The 2nd test match should reflect that. With KP out its
Cook
Root
Trott
Bell
Bairstow
Bopara/Taylor/Morgan/whoever
Prior
Tough on Compton but the sum of the parts is the key thing at cricket.
It wont happen though. I fully expect the Aussie bowlers to enjoy losing the toss in any test match and have 2 hours of free bowling at an opening English attack who score at 2 runs per over.
New Zeland did in the winter at any rate and did so again today.
It's a very similar situation to Jonathon Trotts position in the ODI team. |
Spot on DL
I'd add to that:
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Bairstow
Prior
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson
That'd be just about as balanced an English test XI as we've seen since the 2005 Ashes sides | |
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| England v NZ thread on 15:02 - May 17 with 765 views | D_Alien |
300 wickets for Jimmy Anderson
After England's utterly dire batting performance, lets see if the wicket/outfield is as bad as we made it look! | |
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| England v NZ thread on 18:44 - May 17 with 729 views | davidab2202 |
| England v NZ thread on 15:02 - May 17 by D_Alien |
300 wickets for Jimmy Anderson
After England's utterly dire batting performance, lets see if the wicket/outfield is as bad as we made it look! |
Apparently not !!!! |  | | |
| England v NZ thread on 12:08 - May 18 with 679 views | D_Alien |
| England v NZ thread on 18:44 - May 17 by davidab2202 |
Apparently not !!!! |
Apparently so!!! | |
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| England v NZ thread on 12:15 - May 18 with 669 views | ColDale |
might have a first innings lead at this rate | | | |
| England v NZ thread on 12:51 - May 18 with 643 views | D_Alien |
| England v NZ thread on 12:15 - May 18 by ColDale |
might have a first innings lead at this rate |
25 runs
For all his waywardness, Finn has proven time and time again that he's a wicket taker - and his average per wicket is lower than Anderson's.
I'd say Broad's place is more under threat from an injury-free Bresnan, whose batting is probably also more useful. But I'm sure Broad will come good again.
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| England v NZ thread on 13:41 - May 18 with 623 views | Daley_Lama |
| England v NZ thread on 12:51 - May 18 by D_Alien |
25 runs
For all his waywardness, Finn has proven time and time again that he's a wicket taker - and his average per wicket is lower than Anderson's.
I'd say Broad's place is more under threat from an injury-free Bresnan, whose batting is probably also more useful. But I'm sure Broad will come good again.
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Finn's top scalps
Kayes (Ban) 5 times
Rahim (Ban) 3 times
Southee (NZ) 3 times
U Akmal (Pak) 3 times
K Akmal (Pak) 3 times
T Boult (NZ) 2 times
P Fulton (NZ) 2 times
Broad
AB De Villiers (SA) 7 times
S Chanderpaul (WI) 5 times
L Taylor (NZ) 5 times
Azir Ali (PAk) 4 times
Kallis, Mcullum, Amla, Hussey, Ponting, Sarwan, Tendulkar, Haddin all 3 times
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| England v NZ thread on 13:56 - May 18 with 615 views | D_Alien |
| England v NZ thread on 13:41 - May 18 by Daley_Lama |
Finn's top scalps
Kayes (Ban) 5 times
Rahim (Ban) 3 times
Southee (NZ) 3 times
U Akmal (Pak) 3 times
K Akmal (Pak) 3 times
T Boult (NZ) 2 times
P Fulton (NZ) 2 times
Broad
AB De Villiers (SA) 7 times
S Chanderpaul (WI) 5 times
L Taylor (NZ) 5 times
Azir Ali (PAk) 4 times
Kallis, Mcullum, Amla, Hussey, Ponting, Sarwan, Tendulkar, Haddin all 3 times
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But it's not Finn v Broad, it's Finn/Broad v Bresnan
*Edit - although I do take your point.
But overall, wickets are wickets. Any test bowling average of below 30 puts you in the top bracket.
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| England v NZ thread on 14:12 - May 18 with 601 views | Daley_Lama |
| England v NZ thread on 13:56 - May 18 by D_Alien |
But it's not Finn v Broad, it's Finn/Broad v Bresnan
*Edit - although I do take your point.
But overall, wickets are wickets. Any test bowling average of below 30 puts you in the top bracket.
[Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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For me it's Finn v Bresnan alone, Broad is not in the equation.
Broad is a guarantee, he takes big wickets and is a better bowler than either of the above two despite statistics showing different.
p.s. I'd stick with Finn myself. In 5 years time I hope he is doing what JImmy does, lead the pack. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| England v NZ thread on 14:16 - May 18 with 594 views | Daley_Lama |
Bah, Cookie Monster is out. | |
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| England v NZ thread on 14:23 - May 18 with 584 views | Daley_Lama |
Bah, Compton gone. Bell poorly as well.
We need a couple of decent knocks from Trott and Root. | |
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| England v NZ thread on 18:02 - May 18 with 544 views | D_Alien |
Got 'em
Glad Root didn't get a ton or the hype would've been too much to bear
Lead of almost 200 now with 7 wickets in hand. Very strong position
One thing I'd say is full marks to captain Cook for persevering with Finn when everyone was shouting for him to bowl Swann instead. sometimes you've just got to give players a chance to play themselves into form and gain confidence through learning from their mistakes. In the end, if they're good enough, the performances will come. | |
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| England v NZ thread on 18:17 - May 18 with 529 views | D_Alien |
| England v NZ thread on 18:02 - May 18 by D_Alien |
Got 'em
Glad Root didn't get a ton or the hype would've been too much to bear
Lead of almost 200 now with 7 wickets in hand. Very strong position
One thing I'd say is full marks to captain Cook for persevering with Finn when everyone was shouting for him to bowl Swann instead. sometimes you've just got to give players a chance to play themselves into form and gain confidence through learning from their mistakes. In the end, if they're good enough, the performances will come. |
...and how quickly things change
Not looking as strong now. Lead still under 200, just 5 wickets remaining and Bell not fit to bat
Nightmare of a match for Prior
*Edit: and Trott gone now! Need another 50 at least from the tail. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| England v NZ thread on 11:56 - May 19 with 460 views | downunder |
239 for a historic first win at Lords. This will be interesting, but not enough to keep me from my bed. |  | | |
| England v NZ thread on 12:06 - May 19 with 456 views | TVOS1907 |
NZ 1-1 |  |
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| England v NZ thread on 12:25 - May 19 with 447 views | macro |
16/2 nothing like a stump cartwheeling |  | | |
| England v NZ thread on 12:28 - May 19 with 441 views | Daley_Lama |
16/3 Nothing like a quality bowler skittling the top order.... | |
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| England v NZ thread on 12:29 - May 19 with 438 views | macro |
| England v NZ thread on 12:28 - May 19 by Daley_Lama |
16/3 Nothing like a quality bowler skittling the top order.... |
Broad's on fire! quality bowling and 7 wickets so far in this session | | | |
| England v NZ thread on 12:39 - May 19 with 425 views | D_Alien |
| England v NZ thread on 12:28 - May 19 by Daley_Lama |
16/3 Nothing like a quality bowler skittling the top order.... |
Yep, those blows he struck with the bat have fired him up again! Just needs greater consistency now to fulfill the promise of his genuine talent | |
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