| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:53 - Dec 5 with 2206 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:41 - Dec 5 by James1980 |
I was referring to today's performance and how a number of players were not on song today. Tuesday night was the furthest the squad have travelled so far. Yes they were buzzing after the win and there was good news about Beesley before they set on their journey back to Lancashire. It was a theory about today's performance. Im glad it has given you purpose on the board to continue your bullying. |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:55 - Dec 5 with 2199 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 17:44 - Dec 5 by BigKindo |
To give the long suffering fans some hope. We have had 4 seasons of purgatory. |
If you think this is purgatory mate you should’ve been there in the early 80’s!! |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:58 - Dec 5 with 2172 views | D_Alien |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:55 - Dec 5 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
If you think this is purgatory mate you should’ve been there in the early 80’s!! |
In all honesty, despite bouncing along the bottom of the football league for long periods back then, it was more entertaining |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:58 - Dec 5 with 2174 views | Ancoats_Blue |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:41 - Dec 5 by James1980 |
I was referring to today's performance and how a number of players were not on song today. Tuesday night was the furthest the squad have travelled so far. Yes they were buzzing after the win and there was good news about Beesley before they set on their journey back to Lancashire. It was a theory about today's performance. Im glad it has given you purpose on the board to continue your bullying. |
And it’s a good point re travel. Plymouth away mid week is a bit like a European away tie for a premier league side given the amount of time involved to travel there and back! Even without that though i think Lincoln were just a decent side and came out on top. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 19:06 - Dec 5 with 2109 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:55 - Dec 5 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
If you think this is purgatory mate you should’ve been there in the early 80’s!! |
He was - the 1880s! |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 19:12 - Dec 5 with 2074 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:58 - Dec 5 by Ancoats_Blue |
And it’s a good point re travel. Plymouth away mid week is a bit like a European away tie for a premier league side given the amount of time involved to travel there and back! Even without that though i think Lincoln were just a decent side and came out on top. |
They were the better side and it showed why they are second (is that too precise  ). Our sloppy passing etc didn't make the task particularly tricky for them though. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 19:13 - Dec 5 with 2068 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:41 - Dec 5 by James1980 |
I was referring to today's performance and how a number of players were not on song today. Tuesday night was the furthest the squad have travelled so far. Yes they were buzzing after the win and there was good news about Beesley before they set on their journey back to Lancashire. It was a theory about today's performance. Im glad it has given you purpose on the board to continue your bullying. |
I don't think Tuesday had any bearing on today, James.
The players had the confidence from Tuesday and, as the manager said, they were "Buzzing" on the journey home.
Professional footballers are used to playing games close together and all the preparation and training this week would have factored in the long round trip to Plymouth, albeit separated by a hotel stay on Monday night.
We lost today because Lincoln were better than us and because we are struggling to find the correct way to play and get results at home. [Post edited 5 Dec 2020 19:14]
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 19:16 - Dec 5 with 2049 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 19:13 - Dec 5 by TVOS1907 |
I don't think Tuesday had any bearing on today, James.
The players had the confidence from Tuesday and, as the manager said, they were "Buzzing" on the journey home.
Professional footballers are used to playing games close together and all the preparation and training this week would have factored in the long round trip to Plymouth, albeit separated by a hotel stay on Monday night.
We lost today because Lincoln were better than us and because we are struggling to find the correct way to play and get results at home. [Post edited 5 Dec 2020 19:14]
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 20:35 - Dec 5 with 1827 views | boromat |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 19:13 - Dec 5 by TVOS1907 |
I don't think Tuesday had any bearing on today, James.
The players had the confidence from Tuesday and, as the manager said, they were "Buzzing" on the journey home.
Professional footballers are used to playing games close together and all the preparation and training this week would have factored in the long round trip to Plymouth, albeit separated by a hotel stay on Monday night.
We lost today because Lincoln were better than us and because we are struggling to find the correct way to play and get results at home. [Post edited 5 Dec 2020 19:14]
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Agree Lincoln were simply the better side.
Don't think we played particularly badly today. I'm sure others will disagree but I think we showed some signs that we could have the makings of a decent side. We missed Beesley and Newby didn't turn up, maybe the striker role doesn't suit him as much as a deeper role. Didn't expect anything from today so can't be too disheartened. Looking forward to the next one! | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 21:52 - Dec 5 with 1653 views | EllDale |
Our home form for three or four seasons has been pretty mediocre.
So much so that we sometimes celebrate drawing games, Sunderland and Northampton being examples.
I agree with all that has been written above. This is a team that can never seem to string a run of wins together, one good performance followed by a more disappointing result is the norm.
But, hey ho, this is Rochdale and if these players were consistently good they may well be playing their trade elsewhere.
One other little thing, and I don’t know if the absence of a crowd has any bearing on this, but we don’t seem to play towards the Sandy Lane end on a regular basis in the second half this season? | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 21:56 - Dec 5 with 1640 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 21:52 - Dec 5 by EllDale |
Our home form for three or four seasons has been pretty mediocre.
So much so that we sometimes celebrate drawing games, Sunderland and Northampton being examples.
I agree with all that has been written above. This is a team that can never seem to string a run of wins together, one good performance followed by a more disappointing result is the norm.
But, hey ho, this is Rochdale and if these players were consistently good they may well be playing their trade elsewhere.
One other little thing, and I don’t know if the absence of a crowd has any bearing on this, but we don’t seem to play towards the Sandy Lane end on a regular basis in the second half this season? |
12 home games this season in all comps.
We've 'attacked' the Sandy in the second half five times and Pearl Street seven times. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 22:09 - Dec 5 with 1606 views | macro |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 21:56 - Dec 5 by TVOS1907 |
12 home games this season in all comps.
We've 'attacked' the Sandy in the second half five times and Pearl Street seven times. |
I'd imagine this is down to the fact that the teams don't run out together at present. Away team seemingly come out first and go to the side they warm up. Hence attacking Sandy Lane in first half more often |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 22:09 - Dec 5 with 1606 views | James1980 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 21:52 - Dec 5 by EllDale |
Our home form for three or four seasons has been pretty mediocre.
So much so that we sometimes celebrate drawing games, Sunderland and Northampton being examples.
I agree with all that has been written above. This is a team that can never seem to string a run of wins together, one good performance followed by a more disappointing result is the norm.
But, hey ho, this is Rochdale and if these players were consistently good they may well be playing their trade elsewhere.
One other little thing, and I don’t know if the absence of a crowd has any bearing on this, but we don’t seem to play towards the Sandy Lane end on a regular basis in the second half this season? |
On a positive note we have retained our league one status during that time and had some memorable cup runs. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 22:24 - Dec 5 with 1570 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 15:59 - Dec 5 by TVOS1907 |
They're done by an external figure. |
Thanks. I’m not particularly bothered by it, it’s just irritating seeing idiots on socials carping on about how disgraceful it is that we didn’t have any shots on target, when if they watched the match they’d see that we did. |  | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 23:24 - Dec 5 with 1485 views | Shun |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 18:58 - Dec 5 by D_Alien |
In all honesty, despite bouncing along the bottom of the football league for long periods back then, it was more entertaining |
I’m intrigued by this, DA! I wasn’t around in the 80s, why were they more entertaining than these days? | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 23:54 - Dec 5 with 1443 views | 442Dale |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 23:24 - Dec 5 by Shun |
I’m intrigued by this, DA! I wasn’t around in the 80s, why were they more entertaining than these days? |
Will try and answer that...
The football was more “real”, the simplicity of going to a game and watching a team which was pretty limited doing their best to try and get a result. The whole aura around the matches was different then, you could identify with the players and the club. A lot of it is how the world has changed of course, everything is so simple now - we get all the info we need whenever we want. Back then you’d go to a game if you wanted to see the goals, you’d buy the Pink if you wanted to know the other scores and you’d discuss it with your mates at school/work/pub if you wanted to make it clear how much you disliked Alan Young.
The games were more interesting even when they were crap because all that is taken into consideration. And that’s not to say we haven’t had great days since, its that, like many other things, we often look back and wish things were the same as they were in the past.
Football as a whole is definitely not the same as it was, those who have watched the game for three decades or more will often say that change isn’t for the better. That’s despite admitting that of course it’s been great to see Dale’s success in recent years. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 00:17 - Dec 6 with 1417 views | fitzochris |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 23:54 - Dec 5 by 442Dale |
Will try and answer that...
The football was more “real”, the simplicity of going to a game and watching a team which was pretty limited doing their best to try and get a result. The whole aura around the matches was different then, you could identify with the players and the club. A lot of it is how the world has changed of course, everything is so simple now - we get all the info we need whenever we want. Back then you’d go to a game if you wanted to see the goals, you’d buy the Pink if you wanted to know the other scores and you’d discuss it with your mates at school/work/pub if you wanted to make it clear how much you disliked Alan Young.
The games were more interesting even when they were crap because all that is taken into consideration. And that’s not to say we haven’t had great days since, its that, like many other things, we often look back and wish things were the same as they were in the past.
Football as a whole is definitely not the same as it was, those who have watched the game for three decades or more will often say that change isn’t for the better. That’s despite admitting that of course it’s been great to see Dale’s success in recent years. |
I absolutely agree with this. I think age is a factor too. The naivety of youth. The ability to see things as you see them, rather than analyse them to the nth degree using knowledge and experience. Ah for a DeLorean. |  |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 07:39 - Dec 6 with 1260 views | D_Alien |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 23:24 - Dec 5 by Shun |
I’m intrigued by this, DA! I wasn’t around in the 80s, why were they more entertaining than these days? |
Only just read this; there's been some good responses already
I'd just add one thing. Even now, whenever i go through the turnstiles, or click on "Live Match Centre", i have a feeling of anticipation - pretty much the same as i did as a kid. Back then, i'd only be disappointed if we lost. Recently, or as Big Kindo said within the last three or four years, i feel disappointed and somehow let down as soon as our first attacking move turns back on itself rather than tries to see itself through for good or for bad outcome. That's nothing to do with hoofball btw. It's simply dispiriting to watch
When TVOS used the word " 'attacked' " a few posts ago, that also summed up what's changed. We're like a boxer backing away from his opponent for ten rounds. It's not sporting
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 08:44 - Dec 6 with 1179 views | Nigeriamark |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 23:54 - Dec 5 by 442Dale |
Will try and answer that...
The football was more “real”, the simplicity of going to a game and watching a team which was pretty limited doing their best to try and get a result. The whole aura around the matches was different then, you could identify with the players and the club. A lot of it is how the world has changed of course, everything is so simple now - we get all the info we need whenever we want. Back then you’d go to a game if you wanted to see the goals, you’d buy the Pink if you wanted to know the other scores and you’d discuss it with your mates at school/work/pub if you wanted to make it clear how much you disliked Alan Young.
The games were more interesting even when they were crap because all that is taken into consideration. And that’s not to say we haven’t had great days since, its that, like many other things, we often look back and wish things were the same as they were in the past.
Football as a whole is definitely not the same as it was, those who have watched the game for three decades or more will often say that change isn’t for the better. That’s despite admitting that of course it’s been great to see Dale’s success in recent years. |
As one who has watched since the mid/late 60's I agree with most of that. Because I started in those days I still think of a Dale game today in the same way. It's not just the 90 minutes, but the whole experience.It's the discussion before the match on team selections, then after the game on who played well, who should be in for the next game etc. Beers in the Cemetery after the game, or a pre -match pint & discussions in the car before an away game iare an important part of the experience to those I watch games with. That doesn't change because of the position we are in or what league we are in. Perhaps bizarrely there always seemed more banter after a loss or poor performance than when we won ( although that may have been because in those bad old days we weren't that used to discussing wins !!)
In my case I'm actually not bothered what league we are in as long as we have a team to support and whilst I would prefer a win & can be annoyed with certain losses, it's all gone by the next game, and I still look forward to the next game as much as I did all those years ago [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 9:00]
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 09:27 - Dec 6 with 1127 views | James1980 |
If fast attacking no fear football where a backwards pass was the last resort returned. How much would the crowds increase by? | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 09:43 - Dec 6 with 1106 views | 442Dale |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 09:27 - Dec 6 by James1980 |
If fast attacking no fear football where a backwards pass was the last resort returned. How much would the crowds increase by? |
They probably wouldn’t. The game has changed to the point where this method of playing is taught from the earliest age groups in clubs, not that it’s a bad thing to learn. It’s that when you reach first team level there needs to be more flexibility to create excitement for fans.
If we look at the Plymouth game we can see a glimpse into how being progressive wins plaudits and points, but the players need to be brave enough to try that on a consistent basis and really attack sides. There’s nothing wrong with forcing a throw in by taking a defender on rather than turning back for a pass. I honestly don’t know what the answer is though, because football has almost evolved too far now. A brilliant team like Man United 2007ish, with a proper back four, quality midfielders and forwards who were always looking to take on defences, would just not exist now.
Do wish football people would stop telling us how “exciting” things are. Even they know that isn’t the case. | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 10:57 - Dec 6 with 1020 views | dawlishdale |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 00:17 - Dec 6 by fitzochris |
I absolutely agree with this. I think age is a factor too. The naivety of youth. The ability to see things as you see them, rather than analyse them to the nth degree using knowledge and experience. Ah for a DeLorean. |
Fascinating, but a view I wholeheartedly agree with. Games in my youth were much more entertaining, even if the technical ability of the players was nowhere near as good.
This week; we have seen both sides of Dale... the attack minded, run at'em and have crosses and shots Dale at Plymouth, and then, a return to the more plodding, almost frightened; sitting too deep in midfield Dale against Lincoln.
I understand that there was a huge difference in the quality of the opposition, but without knowing for certain; I'd bet that there was a huge difference in the way BBM told the players to play.
I do agree with BigKindo that much of our home form over the past few seasons has been tedious, almost boring to watch (with the odd exception...Rotherham, Sunderland etc)
I just wonder if there is too much reliance on passing backwards to keep possession rather than risking losing the ball by trying to score. | | | |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 11:04 - Dec 6 with 1012 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 09:27 - Dec 6 by James1980 |
If fast attacking no fear football where a backwards pass was the last resort returned. How much would the crowds increase by? |
You ask that sort of question a lot, James, but it's impossible to quantify.
The one thing that sees crowds return/increase is results, particularly wins and progress up the league.
Whether those crowds increase or remain stable depends on if they like what they see, in terms of the style of play, excitement, commitment, etc, but ultimately it's winning football and success that affects attendance numbers at clubs where attendances aren't stable.
Someone mentioned Lincoln on an earlier post. When they were relegated from the FL in 1987, their game against Dale earlier in the season had attracted their lowest-ever league attendance of 1,357.
They were promoted after one season in the Vauxhall Conference, when their crowds regularly exceeded 5,000.
Why? Because they were successful.
Now, after another spell in non-league football, they can command attendances regularly over 9,000 (their average last season was 9,002).
Why? Because they have enjoyed a sustained period of success, even though, under the Cowley brothers, their style of play wasn't reported to be pleasing on the eye.
Would Dale's crowds increase if we started playing a completely different brand of football? Who knows, but the fans who aren't there won't return in their droves if we keep losing, regardless of how we play.
One thing that is certain is that, given everything we've endured in 2020, when fans do return, they need to be provided with better entertainment at Spotland than we've seen so far.
A single home win all season isn't acceptable and people saying they are "excited" about the way we're playing (or using any derivative of "excited" most of the time) need to back that up with something "exciting" on the pitch! | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 11:22 - Dec 6 with 997 views | TVOS1907 |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 23:24 - Dec 5 by Shun |
I’m intrigued by this, DA! I wasn’t around in the 80s, why were they more entertaining than these days? |
Good question.
Games in the 80s probably weren't more exciting than a lot of games since, but it's that nostalgia thing, where we hanker for something from the past because it was 'better'.
I preferred the experience of going to games back then, but probably because I was a naive youth without years of life and football experience behind me.
There have been many more successes and enjoyable games in, say, the last 14 years (from the start of the Hillcroft era) than in the 24 years I'd watched before then, but I strangely recall incidents and games from the 1980s and 1990s more readily.
There will come a time, Shun, in about 30 years, where you will be asked the same thing about the current era and the Hillcroft times and it's probably only then that you'll understand where we're coming from.
In a lot of my research for TVOS, I read up on Dale games from the 60s and 70s and wish I'd been there, even the disastrous 1973/74 campaign.
Fans who started then probably wish they'd seen some of the 50s, and so on.
To get a sense of what we experienced in the 80s, you really need to read some of Daniel Gray's excellent books. He's just brought out a new one so I've written to Father Christmas for a copy.
Also, the 'Got, Not Got' series of books are excellent.
You can find them here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Boots-Football-Pinks-Beautiful/dp/1472958861/ref=
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Got-Not-Z-Treasures-Pleasures/dp/1908051140/ref=sr_1_5? | |
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| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 11:50 - Dec 6 with 952 views | jonahwhereru |
| Match Thread: Rochdale vs Lincoln on 08:44 - Dec 6 by Nigeriamark |
As one who has watched since the mid/late 60's I agree with most of that. Because I started in those days I still think of a Dale game today in the same way. It's not just the 90 minutes, but the whole experience.It's the discussion before the match on team selections, then after the game on who played well, who should be in for the next game etc. Beers in the Cemetery after the game, or a pre -match pint & discussions in the car before an away game iare an important part of the experience to those I watch games with. That doesn't change because of the position we are in or what league we are in. Perhaps bizarrely there always seemed more banter after a loss or poor performance than when we won ( although that may have been because in those bad old days we weren't that used to discussing wins !!)
In my case I'm actually not bothered what league we are in as long as we have a team to support and whilst I would prefer a win & can be annoyed with certain losses, it's all gone by the next game, and I still look forward to the next game as much as I did all those years ago [Post edited 6 Dec 2020 9:00]
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I ‘ll Chuck my two bob’s worth in on this. Someone mentioned relating to the players and yes at L4 level the wages were much closure to the working man’s level. In the Dalle’s case I think the re election process made for more exciting times / watching. Financially we always had a fear that we would drop out of the league. Having no pretensions to being a good side there was less disappointment in mediocre performances as long as the team tried. Being the underdog most weeks was like a comfy pair of shoes. Success breeds expectation and that is where we are now, in the new Rochdale division. So the rose tinted glasses have had to come off. Is it more fun, heck no. Is the quality of football ( not the tactics necessarily) better, of course it is.
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