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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:04 - Nov 14 with 0 views | 442Dale |
Started well, then pretty much all York once they worked out they just had to wait for us to give it away. Allen’s quality on the ball is obvious (his ball to Brown was brilliant) but he’s not improved our structure at all. If anything we’re even more open.
Ironically Middleton still had the best chance. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:17 - Nov 14 with 0 views | BlueWizard |
FFS ... 0-1
Need to take Hanant & ZSD off , no effect in the game... [Post edited 14 Nov 16:19]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:26 - Nov 14 with 0 views | D_Alien |
Really sad to see Gilmour struggling |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:27 - Nov 14 with 0 views | richfoad32 |
Surely have to give Hendo a run out, we've barely laid a glove on them. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:55 - Nov 14 with 0 views | dawlishdale |
Last 20 minutes its been all us. Jammy Yorkshire buggers. Ollie pierce as dirty as ever. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:57 - Nov 14 with 0 views | SaxonDale |
I don’t think there’ll be an example of any team in the history of football getting over 100 points and then changing their playing identity so much the following season. We battled and challenged in the last 10 or so minutes, but overall it was sad to see how much we’ve regressed since last time we played York. What was the game plan in attack? The amount of times we crossed it into Brown who was alone against 3/4/5 York shirts was depressing.
Having said all that, as I’ve said before, I have absolutely no faith in the current people who are making the football decisions to make the next few correctly. Really is a difficult period for the club. I don’t think we should have hired Watson, as he wasn’t a continuation of what had made us successful (despite mixed messages from himself and the board that he was). But also have serious reservations in the recruitment team to replace with better if we do sack him, as our record of hiring managers includes 3 of the worst I’ve seen here. Added to that, awful injuries and recruitment has left us with a squad with no obvious blueprint for anyone taking over.
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:00 - Nov 14 with 0 views | richfoad32 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:55 - Nov 14 by dawlishdale |
Last 20 minutes its been all us. Jammy Yorkshire buggers. Ollie pierce as dirty as ever. |
Last 10 minutes of desperation football we could've grabbed a point but other that York looked comfortable. They themselves don't look a patch on last season's team. We just look a really poor team and I'm not tactically aware enough to suggest what the answer might be (if there is one). | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:00 - Nov 14 with 0 views | BlueWizard |
Come on you have to agree how the hell is Hayes not starting above Hannant who was poor, and did nothing, yet it all changed when Hayes comes on...Then ZSD playing in a 10 who was again anonymous when Adeeko should have been on ??
Poor starting selection and it shows as the last 20 we just battered them .
Very disappointed we didn't get at least a point there .... | | | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:04 - Nov 14 with 0 views | davidab2202 |
Only 2 points in last 6 games,worst defensive record in the League,without something changing we will be back in the cold of the National League next season | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:05 - Nov 14 with 0 views | 442Dale |
After the subs there was more energy and proof that a proper midfield three consisting of three midfielders makes us look a bit better.
Everything else? Just like this week, it’s chucking a whole load of stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks.
It was said a couple of posts back, such a shame we’ve lost so much of our identity to the point fans don’t even know what we are.
A mention for Tobi, people had concerns before the season about his suitability to play right back at this level. He’s been fine all season and today was a clear man of the match. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:10 - Nov 14 with 0 views | RippDale |
There is just no plan or structure to both our play or recruitment. The axe needs to fall and we need to bring in to provide that. Woodman is known for this and Maynard also. I would even look at Hill and Flitcroft over what we have now. We can't wait too much longer blindly hoping things will change | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:12 - Nov 14 with 0 views | richfoad32 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:00 - Nov 14 by BlueWizard |
Come on you have to agree how the hell is Hayes not starting above Hannant who was poor, and did nothing, yet it all changed when Hayes comes on...Then ZSD playing in a 10 who was again anonymous when Adeeko should have been on ??
Poor starting selection and it shows as the last 20 we just battered them .
Very disappointed we didn't get at least a point there .... |
Hayes has had plenty of chances this season and also been poor, maybe he's better as an impact sub. Perhaps it's an example of having far too many players in the mix and Watson, as far as he can allowing for injuries etc, just pick a settled team. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:32 - Nov 14 with 0 views | D_Alien |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:00 - Nov 14 by BlueWizard |
Come on you have to agree how the hell is Hayes not starting above Hannant who was poor, and did nothing, yet it all changed when Hayes comes on...Then ZSD playing in a 10 who was again anonymous when Adeeko should have been on ??
Poor starting selection and it shows as the last 20 we just battered them .
Very disappointed we didn't get at least a point there .... |
Agree, a point today wouldn't have been a travesty, with several very close calls
I think people have short memories. Today, i thought we were closer to York, who remain a very strong side, than when we played them at the back end of last season. In terms of chances created certainly; unfortunately, we've no real bite and insist on shooting ourselves in the foot at the back
Gilmour was ghosted for their goal. IW needs to be brave and rest him. East looked far more effective and i'd like to see him starting with Allen. There's a lot of nonsense being spouted about "structure" when what matters is a positive contribution from midfield, where we've been lacking all season
Not too downhearted, and we knew the run in to the New Year was going to be tough | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:50 - Nov 14 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:32 - Nov 14 by D_Alien |
Agree, a point today wouldn't have been a travesty, with several very close calls
I think people have short memories. Today, i thought we were closer to York, who remain a very strong side, than when we played them at the back end of last season. In terms of chances created certainly; unfortunately, we've no real bite and insist on shooting ourselves in the foot at the back
Gilmour was ghosted for their goal. IW needs to be brave and rest him. East looked far more effective and i'd like to see him starting with Allen. There's a lot of nonsense being spouted about "structure" when what matters is a positive contribution from midfield, where we've been lacking all season
Not too downhearted, and we knew the run in to the New Year was going to be tough |
Aye, nonsense as we are walked through every week when we lose the ball because of how we set up. The structure.
Individual performances will always be a massive contributor. That those are directly impacted by the formation is something on the manager. Gilmour was poor today, not helped by being stranded so often. Similarly Allen’s contribution was limited by having so few options around him. No matter who plays in midfield, they’re on an immediate loser with the amount of space they have to cover because of how expansive we play. Everyone is miles away from everyone else.
This is then highlighted when the opposition win the ball. As seen all afternoon.
We are currently as far away from getting things right as we were at the start of the season. The five game unbeaten run, which saw an indication of how Watson wanted to play, was a false dawn it seems. The recognisable issues which were there during that run as well are still to be addressed. The answer has been to add player after player.
It hasn’t worked. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:53 - Nov 14 with 0 views | beat_the_bishop |
His team selections are baffling, his in game management doesn’t exist, his substitutions have zero courage.
How has Silcott earned a start? How has Taylor got back in the squad and then started at left back after his last roasting out there?
It’s just completely disjointed on and off the pitch. Cameron Ogden was there today and hopefully he looks at the scoreboard and the league table which our manager doesn’t (his words not mine).
We are are a third of the way through the season and not a single sign of improvement. Anyone who thinks differently is as deluded. And all the talk of players returning is actually going to cause more harm because the man has zero clue what he wants, what his preferred team is and what people’s natural position is.
Not a single player he has signed has shown they are better than what we had last season. I stick by that statement.
I thought these times were over for us and the future was bright but I’m absolutely fed up of going again. It’s a chore. And the atmosphere today, even from the U Block was just rock bottom too. The harsh reality of what is unfolding in front of our eyes has hit people like a train. It’s going to be a long winter.
The board made an error. For all the good they have done, it’s on them to fix it. 4 wins from 15 in the league with our largest playing budget and squad ever…. They have wasted their money and they are wasting our time. |  | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:56 - Nov 14 with 0 views | kel |
I’m not usually a ‘manager out’ type of person and I’m not knowledgable enough about the game to break down where it’s going wrong. All I know is if he stays in place then we’re one of the favourites to go down.
It’s that simple for me. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:59 - Nov 14 with 0 views | dannyuk |
Waller stood over the ball in the second half, waiting to pick it up or not pick it up, whilst obviously not being pressed as they were 1 up, looking at 10 shithouse statues in blue in front of him, pretty much sums that game up.
We're gone, unless something something changes very quickly. [Post edited 14 Nov 18:00]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:01 - Nov 14 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:53 - Nov 14 by beat_the_bishop |
His team selections are baffling, his in game management doesn’t exist, his substitutions have zero courage.
How has Silcott earned a start? How has Taylor got back in the squad and then started at left back after his last roasting out there?
It’s just completely disjointed on and off the pitch. Cameron Ogden was there today and hopefully he looks at the scoreboard and the league table which our manager doesn’t (his words not mine).
We are are a third of the way through the season and not a single sign of improvement. Anyone who thinks differently is as deluded. And all the talk of players returning is actually going to cause more harm because the man has zero clue what he wants, what his preferred team is and what people’s natural position is.
Not a single player he has signed has shown they are better than what we had last season. I stick by that statement.
I thought these times were over for us and the future was bright but I’m absolutely fed up of going again. It’s a chore. And the atmosphere today, even from the U Block was just rock bottom too. The harsh reality of what is unfolding in front of our eyes has hit people like a train. It’s going to be a long winter.
The board made an error. For all the good they have done, it’s on them to fix it. 4 wins from 15 in the league with our largest playing budget and squad ever…. They have wasted their money and they are wasting our time. |
While I’d agree about the statement that what we’ve added to the squad hasn’t been an improvement on what we had, as individuals they might still prove to be better in the long run.
It’s that failing to deal with the problems makes the collective seem worse, because we’d been accustomed to everyone knowing what their role was and what worked.
Would try and stress that sticking with the club is important for fans too, even though it’s a tough watch at the moment. Bad times won’t last, and we have to trust that something suddenly clicks, if not then you’d expect changes. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:04 - Nov 14 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:59 - Nov 14 by dannyuk |
Waller stood over the ball in the second half, waiting to pick it up or not pick it up, whilst obviously not being pressed as they were 1 up, looking at 10 shithouse statues in blue in front of him, pretty much sums that game up.
We're gone, unless something something changes very quickly. [Post edited 14 Nov 18:00]
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Yeah that was startling.
When Whatmuff did it last season it was with the clear knowledge that everyone watching knew we’d retain the ball and move up the field with it.
That structure ensured the players knew it too. Currently we look in a state of panic any time we go backwards. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:17 - Nov 14 with 0 views | EllDale |
Thinking positively we could have nicked a point which I would have settled for even before kickoff.And it was a better performance. Did the ball cross the line from Flint’s header?
I’ve eavesdropped some York fans at the station who thought that we had some decent players but no structure or pattern. They said that if Middleton had scored at the end of the first half it could have been different.
Hard to argue with them. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:21 - Nov 14 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:17 - Nov 14 by EllDale |
Thinking positively we could have nicked a point which I would have settled for even before kickoff.And it was a better performance. Did the ball cross the line from Flint’s header?
I’ve eavesdropped some York fans at the station who thought that we had some decent players but no structure or pattern. They said that if Middleton had scored at the end of the first half it could have been different.
Hard to argue with them. |
The Flint header led to many in the Sandy to immediately compare it to the Stones goal. The football gods were obviously having a laugh at us then.
Fair assessment by the York fans. You could sense they aren’t as confident in how they play under Lindsay, but it can be argued his tactics worked - wait, win it, break into the oceans of space.
First ten, last twenty, we were the better side. As we have been in parts of many games. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:31 - Nov 14 with 0 views | tony_roch975 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:32 - Nov 14 by D_Alien |
Agree, a point today wouldn't have been a travesty, with several very close calls
I think people have short memories. Today, i thought we were closer to York, who remain a very strong side, than when we played them at the back end of last season. In terms of chances created certainly; unfortunately, we've no real bite and insist on shooting ourselves in the foot at the back
Gilmour was ghosted for their goal. IW needs to be brave and rest him. East looked far more effective and i'd like to see him starting with Allen. There's a lot of nonsense being spouted about "structure" when what matters is a positive contribution from midfield, where we've been lacking all season
Not too downhearted, and we knew the run in to the New Year was going to be tough |
OK this is a minority view.
Accepting IW has lost our identity, starting Taylor at LB was weird, we're still one of the favourites to go down, Tasker and Paterson are yet more unexplained absences, I thought this was our best performance to date. Unlike other games we didn't fold after conceding, we weren't 3 down in 20 mins ....against one of the top sides (by table position). There seemed to be something of a pattern to our play, gaps between players seemed less to me and we were in the game for most of the 90 mins. Above all we had 5 shots on target (2 cleared off the line) to York's 3 so we did have a cutting edge. Had either of Brown's headers or Middleton's chip gone in - different game!
Allen set the tone pressing high and delivering some fast incisive passing like the Brown cross 442 mentioned, TAR has his best league game for us - never stopped working, defended high crosses well and contributed to the last 10 mins dominance (that was when York sat back rather than Hayes being a wizard - for every time he beats his FB he loses the ball twice over and he's so lightweight defensively. Hannant does both and his chip for Brown was perfect, sadly the finish wasn't. Thought Wilson was less vulnerable to risky forays than some games and his driving runs had an effect (as did Bilongo's later). Flint was solid in the air though because of his lack of pace he sets up so deep those gaps to MF others mention get bigger.
Gilmour made a mistake for their goal but otherwise won many tackles and covered Allen. ZSD seemed to have a roving role to cover runs which did work defensively but prevented him being as effective in an attacking role. Middleton tried hard offensively and defensively but struggled to make many incisive runs because of good covering. Brown got little applause when he was subbed which I thought was unfair - he worked tirelessly, won loads more headers than Mani and nearly scored 2.
So I'm still highly critical of IW's decisions since arriving on recruitment and formation but I thought there was a little progress today. Sadly support is fickle so this is also a plea to find some positives!
I await the opprobrium. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:34 - Nov 14 with 0 views | frenzied |
Started well..finished well to no avail.
Brown works hard but struggles to retain the ball..needs more help or replacing now.
Decent 60 mins from Allen who I can’t believe isn’t playing elsewhere after last seasons promotion for Coventry.
Just gotta hope there are 2 worse sides in this league come game 46 | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:36 - Nov 14 with 0 views | Edindale |
Can't really question the players effort and commitment to-day but as stated there is little in terms of a coherent structure and approach. Generally we matched a York team who are now 4th in the league, but I am not sure we were unlucky to loose on balance.
We played 75 minutes with 10 men as ZSD just wasn't in the game. Jamie Allen will be class at this level once he gains match fitness and I thought Taylor did okay in patches. Henderson came on too late. TAR turned in an excellent performance and Bilongo also performed. Waiting until we are a goal down is not going to cut it and we need to show more intent from the off.
The tame and toothless manner in which we are loosing with poor team performances is contributing to a lack of confidence and subdued atmosphere. Would like to see Mani back in the squad for a second chance sooner rather than later.
Hope that IW can turn things around in the remaining games up to the transfer window but it is not going to be easy. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:56 - Nov 14 with 0 views | beat_the_bishop |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:31 - Nov 14 by tony_roch975 |
OK this is a minority view.
Accepting IW has lost our identity, starting Taylor at LB was weird, we're still one of the favourites to go down, Tasker and Paterson are yet more unexplained absences, I thought this was our best performance to date. Unlike other games we didn't fold after conceding, we weren't 3 down in 20 mins ....against one of the top sides (by table position). There seemed to be something of a pattern to our play, gaps between players seemed less to me and we were in the game for most of the 90 mins. Above all we had 5 shots on target (2 cleared off the line) to York's 3 so we did have a cutting edge. Had either of Brown's headers or Middleton's chip gone in - different game!
Allen set the tone pressing high and delivering some fast incisive passing like the Brown cross 442 mentioned, TAR has his best league game for us - never stopped working, defended high crosses well and contributed to the last 10 mins dominance (that was when York sat back rather than Hayes being a wizard - for every time he beats his FB he loses the ball twice over and he's so lightweight defensively. Hannant does both and his chip for Brown was perfect, sadly the finish wasn't. Thought Wilson was less vulnerable to risky forays than some games and his driving runs had an effect (as did Bilongo's later). Flint was solid in the air though because of his lack of pace he sets up so deep those gaps to MF others mention get bigger.
Gilmour made a mistake for their goal but otherwise won many tackles and covered Allen. ZSD seemed to have a roving role to cover runs which did work defensively but prevented him being as effective in an attacking role. Middleton tried hard offensively and defensively but struggled to make many incisive runs because of good covering. Brown got little applause when he was subbed which I thought was unfair - he worked tirelessly, won loads more headers than Mani and nearly scored 2.
So I'm still highly critical of IW's decisions since arriving on recruitment and formation but I thought there was a little progress today. Sadly support is fickle so this is also a plea to find some positives!
I await the opprobrium. |
Your optimism is admirable.
My friend came with me today who is a Lancaster City fan. He said ‘do they play like this every week? They look devoid of leadership and courage. And every pass if not under or overhit is safe and 9 times out of 10 out wide. Nothing through the middle and I know what’s going to happen next’.
Sadly, my response was… this is one of the better performances. Yet the games passed by, I said ‘oooooo twice’ at the goal line clearances. The rest was dreadful and the catch up about our careers, family, holidays etc was the only positive I walked away with.
He also said Brad Kelly is better than Waller. | | | |
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