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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 19:18 - Nov 14 with 0 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:21 - Nov 14 by 442Dale
The Flint header led to many in the Sandy to immediately compare it to the Stones goal. The football gods were obviously having a laugh at us then.
Fair assessment by the York fans. You could sense they aren’t as confident in how they play under Lindsay, but it can be argued his tactics worked - wait, win it, break into the oceans of space.
First ten, last twenty, we were the better side. As we have been in parts of many games.
You can see on one of the fans' videos that it's extremely close, but doesn't go in. It's a chance that was probably harder to not score though, he should have been putting it away.
Can't be bothered faffing with putting the picture here so linking my moaning twitter post. This stood out like a sore thumb from the "highlights" (this is the chance he had that hit the post)
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 19:43 - Nov 14 with 0 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:56 - Nov 14 by beat_the_bishop
Your optimism is admirable.
My friend came with me today who is a Lancaster City fan. He said ‘do they play like this every week? They look devoid of leadership and courage. And every pass if not under or overhit is safe and 9 times out of 10 out wide. Nothing through the middle and I know what’s going to happen next’.
Sadly, my response was… this is one of the better performances. Yet the games passed by, I said ‘oooooo twice’ at the goal line clearances. The rest was dreadful and the catch up about our careers, family, holidays etc was the only positive I walked away with.
He also said Brad Kelly is better than Waller.
Watching IW's interview you wouldn't think we could easily have been 3 down at HT after a poor first half caused by strange selection and bad tactics. How many more games will ZSD play at either CM or as a number 10 before the penny drops that it doesn't suit him? Even more bizarre playing a wide player there when we have having so many players in the squad who would be more comfortable in that role. Again, no changes at HT despite the fact we were just waiting for York to score, then Henderson who is still our best forward left on the bench until it was too late. And again subs get stripped and just stand in the dugout for ages. I could go on. The last 15 mins we huffed and puffed but York managed the game pretty well. They will be annoyed that they didn't put the game to bed sooner. Shame as there is talent in the squad but it's being managed really poorly.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 19:43 - Nov 14 with 0 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:31 - Nov 14 by tony_roch975
OK this is a minority view.
Accepting IW has lost our identity, starting Taylor at LB was weird, we're still one of the favourites to go down, Tasker and Paterson are yet more unexplained absences, I thought this was our best performance to date. Unlike other games we didn't fold after conceding, we weren't 3 down in 20 mins ....against one of the top sides (by table position). There seemed to be something of a pattern to our play, gaps between players seemed less to me and we were in the game for most of the 90 mins. Above all we had 5 shots on target (2 cleared off the line) to York's 3 so we did have a cutting edge. Had either of Brown's headers or Middleton's chip gone in - different game!
Allen set the tone pressing high and delivering some fast incisive passing like the Brown cross 442 mentioned, TAR has his best league game for us - never stopped working, defended high crosses well and contributed to the last 10 mins dominance (that was when York sat back rather than Hayes being a wizard - for every time he beats his FB he loses the ball twice over and he's so lightweight defensively. Hannant does both and his chip for Brown was perfect, sadly the finish wasn't. Thought Wilson was less vulnerable to risky forays than some games and his driving runs had an effect (as did Bilongo's later). Flint was solid in the air though because of his lack of pace he sets up so deep those gaps to MF others mention get bigger.
Gilmour made a mistake for their goal but otherwise won many tackles and covered Allen. ZSD seemed to have a roving role to cover runs which did work defensively but prevented him being as effective in an attacking role. Middleton tried hard offensively and defensively but struggled to make many incisive runs because of good covering. Brown got little applause when he was subbed which I thought was unfair - he worked tirelessly, won loads more headers than Mani and nearly scored 2.
So I'm still highly critical of IW's decisions since arriving on recruitment and formation but I thought there was a little progress today. Sadly support is fickle so this is also a plea to find some positives!
I await the opprobrium.
That's pretty fair, and more or less what i saw
Accepting that IW is learning (slowly) on the job, and that the board have decided to back him (for now) we put in a shift today after being turned over by Accy
I also thought we looked stronger once we reorganised at the back, with Bilongo alongside Wilson - okay, it was also to allow Flint to try his luck upfield, but it's a combo i'd like to see used again
Our main weakness is deep midfield, which exposes our back line. Gilmour unfortunately just isn't up to it. I'd like to think Pettit could make that role his own but it remains an unknown. Put Allen and East in there and we'd have more solidity and more enterprise. Of course, Allen is temporary, so probably Paterson instead, assuming he can live up to his career record
We get the ball out to the wings well enough: in terms of structure, that's as old as the hills (Hill's initial flourish too) but we've also got to improve on Brown and Mani in the January window
We were up against a better side than us today, but ended up being unlucky not to get something from the game
As for the U-block (in other comments), they're kids, and easily outsung by the opposition when things aren't going our way
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 19:18 - Nov 14 by dannyuk
You can see on one of the fans' videos that it's extremely close, but doesn't go in. It's a chance that was probably harder to not score though, he should have been putting it away.
Can't be bothered faffing with putting the picture here so linking my moaning twitter post. This stood out like a sore thumb from the "highlights" (this is the chance he had that hit the post)
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That example and the goal (there’s only a short highlights, so their other first half opportunities aren’t shown) reflect perfectly how exposed we are with the current formation.
On that one, Allen has been the one sitting, he’d dropped into a left back position with Taylor moving infield (a tactic he’d done more than once throughout the half). So as soon as there was an error York were into our back four. Except it wasn’t, the centre halves are miles apart and Pearce has enough time to line up his shot.
For the goal, Gilmour makes an really poor attempt at stopping Kitching as he comes forward, and then there’s acres of space for Banks as the rest of the side are stretched across far too much of the pitch. Again, ages for Banks to shoot, Pearce turns his effort in.
We could play Keane, Butt and Scholes in there, but if they are all 20-30 yards away from each other as a starting point, it’s doomed to give up chances every week.
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:51 - Nov 14 by JimmyRustler
He has to go.
And by the sounds of it, he is (thank god).
Nothing against him personally, seems a good bloke. But he is inept as a football manager
If Watson is going, you have to hope his fitness trainers are going with him.... The injury list has meant that we have never seen a full-strength side in action and we probably never will... I guess its the luck of the draw, but as Napoleon said " I would rather have a lucky General than a good one". Maybe Watson is a talented assistant , maybe he will be an excellent manager at some stage in the future, but professional sport is brutal and repeatedly losing games at this level is every likely to have only one outcome.
When we got relegated 4 seasons ago neither the management nor 90% of the squad was good enough despite several getting tranfers to better teams and some developing decent careers after their loan spells here. My worry is that even a lucky manager might not have enough to work with if the decision to change manager doesnt get made quickly enough for impact on probably a dozen, maybe even half of the current squad...
EFL 2 is all about power, pace and physicality you have to have those qualities in your side before you can earn the right to play neat, tidy, stylish, dare I say technical football.....And you need a system and players that have the capability and talent to score 2 goals a game, week in, week out....
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:11 - Nov 14 with 0 views
Thought we played well first twenty minutes, frantic last twenty. First twenty you could see a plan with Taylor coming into midfield with Silcott and Allen pushing up as 10s. Then York adjusted and we struggled. Thought Bilongo made a difference when he came on. We've got a really strong squad even with injuries, several league one quality players. But we are wide open and our own worst enemies. How many times in the first half did gift possession round our own penalty box . The tactics are like city under Guardiola, you need elite players. For me they won't work in league two
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:12 - Nov 14 with 0 views
Are we forgetting we failed to beat York 3 times last season, I havent seen much happen since then that told us today would be different. I think sometimes expectations can cloud reality, Games are all about moments, bothbl teams had them, they took one of theirs. They had a much better forward line than we had, I dont understand why there is so much hulabaloo about a game we shouldn't have expected to win. The things that upset me was the late inclusion of Hendo, definitely should have come on earlier. The shocking passing by the players at the back, very sloppy and unfitting for a professional footballer.
Instead of throwing out random words about what a team would look like or stats that are not backed up by actual reality, it’s worth considering that this squad has enough to be competing in L2. That’s even only picking from the ones that are currently fit.
Sorting the keeper situation is obviously a priority, but we could easily line up in different ways that would make this team harder to beat and better going forward.
We could switch to wing-backs (TAR and Hannant… or even play a winger on the left, Middleton has the capacity). 3 central defenders (Wilson, Flint/EEL, Bilongo). 3 in midfield (from the six we have). 2 up front (Henderson has to start)
Or a proper 4-3-3 with proper midfielders closer together. Not career forwards who want to play no.10. If you think of the 10s we had last season, some could play in midfield too. The likes of Barlow and Burger actually did as one of the two to good effect. Silcott-Duberry, Paterson, Brown? If they’re expected to contribute defensively near our goal then we won’t ever sort out how open we are.
Then when Dieseruvwe is fit (why no update?) get him back in to the 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 formations.
That’s all before considering the likes of Maguire, Beckwith, Tasker.
The squad is lopsided in certain areas, but there are enough good footballers to ensure we finish mid-table. Injuries and tactics permitting.
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:11 - Nov 14 by borodale
Thought we played well first twenty minutes, frantic last twenty. First twenty you could see a plan with Taylor coming into midfield with Silcott and Allen pushing up as 10s. Then York adjusted and we struggled. Thought Bilongo made a difference when he came on. We've got a really strong squad even with injuries, several league one quality players. But we are wide open and our own worst enemies. How many times in the first half did gift possession round our own penalty box . The tactics are like city under Guardiola, you need elite players. For me they won't work in league two
Just out of interest I would like to know who you believe is League One quality in this squad?
I agree with regards to tactics. We are making a simple game look hard for us and easy for others. The still image above in the thread typifies our season. That gap between the back 4 and the midfield will be the only thing I remember from the Ian Watson reign when we are put out of our misery.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:25 - Nov 14 with 0 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:11 - Nov 14 by borodale
Thought we played well first twenty minutes, frantic last twenty. First twenty you could see a plan with Taylor coming into midfield with Silcott and Allen pushing up as 10s. Then York adjusted and we struggled. Thought Bilongo made a difference when he came on. We've got a really strong squad even with injuries, several league one quality players. But we are wide open and our own worst enemies. How many times in the first half did gift possession round our own penalty box . The tactics are like city under Guardiola, you need elite players. For me they won't work in league two
York had tons of chances and openings in the first half, most as a result of our mistakes and tactics, but couldn't finish their dinner. Could have been another Accrington. Their goal was a Hendo style opportunistic finish. Our Hendo wasn't given long enough to do similar. The most frustrating thing about today was that York weren't all that but were more than professional, organised and streetwise to get the job done.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:29 - Nov 14 with 0 views
As some have said in this thread, performance wise, we were much better today, but the end result is the same. Instead of play $h!t€ and lose, we raised the bar from a very low level and lost again. Others make more detailed comments on the lack of managerial acumen on the pitch. Some mention players being used out of position. That was used as an excuse for defeat v Doncaster, so why does he do that unnecessarily today? Fear not, "there's lots to build on" according to today's post-match interview. As there was v Doncaster. Check the interview, particularly at 1:08 ish.
How did that work out? All he does is spout rinse and repeat nonsense, expecting us to believe it. This fanbase does not fall for BS, and this has been the case for a long time. Change in fortune, there is none. He keeps going on about knowing what's needed but it rarely appears. He keeps going on about believing in himself and what he's doing but the football gets worse.
2 points and 0 wins from the last 6 league games. Some of the people shouting Watson out at the end were the ones applauding the team off after Accy. Die hard loyalty has turned. It's only a matter of time. Watson should've gone in August IMHO - it was obvious he was way, way out of his depth. We are 3rd bottom as a consequence of him remaining. Those below have games in hand and better goal differences. A third of the way through the season, and a manager who has never kicked a ball in the EFL is being allowed by the board to damage all the good work done by the Ogden family to get us back to the EFL. The board needs advice (paid for if necessary) from people with football expertise to guide us on what we need to do. Everyone can back a wrong horse. Stockdale, Bentley and Watson is an awful 3 from 4 since 2021. Got lucky with McNulty during the darkest of times. Make changes or accept the consequences.
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"And only as far as Casey Pettit......"
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:33 - Nov 14 with 0 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:25 - Nov 14 by rich_dale
York had tons of chances and openings in the first half, most as a result of our mistakes and tactics, but couldn't finish their dinner. Could have been another Accrington. Their goal was a Hendo style opportunistic finish. Our Hendo wasn't given long enough to do similar. The most frustrating thing about today was that York weren't all that but were more than professional, organised and streetwise to get the job done.
Exactly. You put it better than me. We have a squad capable of so much better.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:57 - Nov 14 with 0 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:29 - Nov 14 by Sandyman
As some have said in this thread, performance wise, we were much better today, but the end result is the same. Instead of play $h!t€ and lose, we raised the bar from a very low level and lost again. Others make more detailed comments on the lack of managerial acumen on the pitch. Some mention players being used out of position. That was used as an excuse for defeat v Doncaster, so why does he do that unnecessarily today? Fear not, "there's lots to build on" according to today's post-match interview. As there was v Doncaster. Check the interview, particularly at 1:08 ish.
How did that work out? All he does is spout rinse and repeat nonsense, expecting us to believe it. This fanbase does not fall for BS, and this has been the case for a long time. Change in fortune, there is none. He keeps going on about knowing what's needed but it rarely appears. He keeps going on about believing in himself and what he's doing but the football gets worse.
2 points and 0 wins from the last 6 league games. Some of the people shouting Watson out at the end were the ones applauding the team off after Accy. Die hard loyalty has turned. It's only a matter of time. Watson should've gone in August IMHO - it was obvious he was way, way out of his depth. We are 3rd bottom as a consequence of him remaining. Those below have games in hand and better goal differences. A third of the way through the season, and a manager who has never kicked a ball in the EFL is being allowed by the board to damage all the good work done by the Ogden family to get us back to the EFL. The board needs advice (paid for if necessary) from people with football expertise to guide us on what we need to do. Everyone can back a wrong horse. Stockdale, Bentley and Watson is an awful 3 from 4 since 2021. Got lucky with McNulty during the darkest of times. Make changes or accept the consequences.
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Well put.
I think the squad size and the nature of the signings is enough to show us he is out of his depth. Somebody else has said it… and we’ve all took the piss out of him but it’s full on Robbie Savage. Rather than work on what you’ve got, adapt and refine and play to the strengths (and weaknesses) it’s like he’s just hoping that the signings will just come good and one day they will just click.
Evidently, we have some reasonably talented players. But, it’s just nothing more than that. Individuals. Yes injuries have played their part that’s hard to deny. But it should be a case of slotting somebody into an already refined system (Callum Perry) and they only need to find their own way, the rest is taken care of. For us, it’s like a player steps onto the pitch and is flying solo. Doing what they can and what they think they should be doing but without actually knowing what they should be doing and what others are doing.
We’ve heard absolutely nothing from his assistant since his introduction interview. Why? It would be good to hear from him and see if we can take anything different or any positives. At the moment, as you alluded to. He spouts nothing but waffle and he is clinging on and knows it. Even the ‘nice man’ bit is boring now. You can be as nice as you like but you are paid to win football matches not be our friend.
Lots of talk of Maynard. Interesting his stats at Notts County weren’t too impressive. But I think the team just needs a robust structure and starting with being hard to beat. Because at the moment, if you have a half decent striker it’s absolutely nailed on he will get 3 to 4 chances against us. It’s like a turkey shoot at times.
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:23 - Nov 14 with 0 views
TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:12 - Nov 14 by somdale
Are we forgetting we failed to beat York 3 times last season, I havent seen much happen since then that told us today would be different. I think sometimes expectations can cloud reality, Games are all about moments, bothbl teams had them, they took one of theirs. They had a much better forward line than we had, I dont understand why there is so much hulabaloo about a game we shouldn't have expected to win. The things that upset me was the late inclusion of Hendo, definitely should have come on earlier. The shocking passing by the players at the back, very sloppy and unfitting for a professional footballer.
Without being harsh, is the first game of the season you’ve seen?
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TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:26 - Nov 14 with 0 views
I mean today we played a lot better than recent home performances - Jamie Allen probably helped with a really strong start to the game. Yes York had a good few chances but Brown should score with his easy headed chance and Middleton should score when he was through. Yorks goal was very lucky with Banks miss hit shot and Pearce just hitting it. We should've scored with Flints header and Hendo should've done better with his late chance. It's all if buts and maybes though - at the end of the day Watson is out of his depth. Nice guy but he's just not up to the job. Get Stuart Maynard in quick.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
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