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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity 15:06 - Nov 9 with 5697 viewsJimmyRustler

Aware that there’s been a fair bit of (understandable) negativity on here recently so hoping to generate a bit of positive momentum in this thread.

So, a big congrats to IW, the team and everyone associated with the club for the win on Saturday.

And more importantly, who do we want in the next round?
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 15:23 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsfrenzied

Stockport at home
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 15:41 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsheywooddale

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 15:23 - Nov 9 by frenzied

Stockport at home


Laziness pick: Stockport away (it's a ten minute walk from my house).

Honest pick: Wimborne Town, Plymouth Parkway/Berkhamsted or Guisley at Spotland.

But basically anything but Oldham.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 17:16 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsYorkshire_Dale

The 2nd draw does n't involve any new teams just the 1st Rnd winners (40). Just a round to survive before the Big Uns.

Not many appealing to me except perhaps Guiseley at home....?

Dover Athletic (A) might be a TV prospect.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:36 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsBigKindo

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 15:41 - Nov 9 by heywooddale

Laziness pick: Stockport away (it's a ten minute walk from my house).

Honest pick: Wimborne Town, Plymouth Parkway/Berkhamsted or Guisley at Spotland.

But basically anything but Oldham.


... or York
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:44 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsEllDale

Leicester at home would be nice!
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:46 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsheywooddale

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:36 - Nov 9 by BigKindo

... or York


Yep also not York (plus any other league 2 team)
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:46 - Nov 9 by heywooddale

Yep also not York (plus any other league 2 team)


Newport County at home is winnable.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:57 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsheywooddale

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:53 - Nov 9 by isitme

Newport County at home is winnable.


Yeah, not interesting but definitely winnable
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 19:01 - Nov 9 with 0 viewsdingdangblue

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:53 - Nov 9 by isitme

Newport County at home is winnable.


Hopefully lessons learnt from the first game of the season when they were very direct and bullied us.

Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Poll: Are fans more annoyed losing or not playing Henderson centre forward?

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 06:04 - Nov 10 with 0 viewsDale_4_Life

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 19:01 - Nov 9 by dingdangblue

Hopefully lessons learnt from the first game of the season when they were very direct and bullied us.


Dale so undercooked matchday 1…

Poor pre season acknowledged by many on here.

It’s the cup… should be a good atmosphere and a chance for redemption as previously stated.

Up the Dale!!
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 06:49 - Nov 10 with 0 viewskel

You did your best, JR.

No matter how hard you try to post something positive, the usual suspects can’t wait to drag it down.

Has “Trev” flounced?

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 06:49 - Nov 10 by kel

You did your best, JR.

No matter how hard you try to post something positive, the usual suspects can’t wait to drag it down.


Maybe you should look up the word 'Hopefully'.

Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Poll: Are fans more annoyed losing or not playing Henderson centre forward?

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 07:06 - Nov 10 by dingdangblue

Maybe you should look up the word 'Hopefully'.


Cheers, I did.

Starts with H and ends with Y coincidentally.

Has “Trev” flounced?

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 08:51 - Nov 10 with 0 viewsdingdangblue


Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Poll: Are fans more annoyed losing or not playing Henderson centre forward?

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 11:26 - Nov 10 with 0 viewssamueloneils

The games up to Christmas are as tough as you get. The key to survival will be the choice of players available, and it seems to me we badly need all the experience we have. This means limiting the unavoidable weaknesses in the goalkeepers and forwards. But we are fortunate in having 5 men vastly experienced in this league and above, who I would like as fixtures in the runup. They are all turned 30, and are playing for the latter part of their careers.

If EEL and Flint could manage to share the back line decision-making they would be formidable together. At 33 and 37 they will be thinking about where we are next season. Flint would also need to extend his contract beyond December. Might be a problem sharing.
Midfield has to include Paterson if fully fit. His career has been exceptional with 470 appearances in Championship and League 1, and he will be thinking ahead at 34 and having not played this level before. Of those available I would prefer Gilmour and Francis alongside, and who would hopefully be inspired by the connection.

The wings are fine and I would play Hannant as backup to Brown. At 33 he will also be looking ahead. Preferably I would bring in Hendo immediately. He is obviously itching to play and would bring life, and goals, to the forward line.

This still leaves some issues, but I would not risk Beckwith or Pettit during the crisis, because they have never played at this level and it would be a brave man who expected them to instantly adapt.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 20:19 - Nov 10 with 0 views442Dale

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 11:26 - Nov 10 by samueloneils

The games up to Christmas are as tough as you get. The key to survival will be the choice of players available, and it seems to me we badly need all the experience we have. This means limiting the unavoidable weaknesses in the goalkeepers and forwards. But we are fortunate in having 5 men vastly experienced in this league and above, who I would like as fixtures in the runup. They are all turned 30, and are playing for the latter part of their careers.

If EEL and Flint could manage to share the back line decision-making they would be formidable together. At 33 and 37 they will be thinking about where we are next season. Flint would also need to extend his contract beyond December. Might be a problem sharing.
Midfield has to include Paterson if fully fit. His career has been exceptional with 470 appearances in Championship and League 1, and he will be thinking ahead at 34 and having not played this level before. Of those available I would prefer Gilmour and Francis alongside, and who would hopefully be inspired by the connection.

The wings are fine and I would play Hannant as backup to Brown. At 33 he will also be looking ahead. Preferably I would bring in Hendo immediately. He is obviously itching to play and would bring life, and goals, to the forward line.

This still leaves some issues, but I would not risk Beckwith or Pettit during the crisis, because they have never played at this level and it would be a brave man who expected them to instantly adapt.


Playing EEL and Flint together in a back four would leave us exposed to pace. It could work in a three but even then it’s a question of whether either can play anywhere but centrally.

Paterson isn’t a midfielder. Could play as the 10 but has shown little to show he offers anything more than Henderson. Watson commented about the size of the squad, but signing Paterson when we have plenty of other options just muddies the water further. We have to get people out in January.

Hannant doesn’t play centre forward. Getting Dieseruvwe fit and seeing if he can prove doubters wrong before January is something we can hope for. For now, Henderson would be the alternative to Brown.

Poll: Greatest Ever Dale Game

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 20:56 - Nov 10 with 0 viewsisitme

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 20:19 - Nov 10 by 442Dale

Playing EEL and Flint together in a back four would leave us exposed to pace. It could work in a three but even then it’s a question of whether either can play anywhere but centrally.

Paterson isn’t a midfielder. Could play as the 10 but has shown little to show he offers anything more than Henderson. Watson commented about the size of the squad, but signing Paterson when we have plenty of other options just muddies the water further. We have to get people out in January.

Hannant doesn’t play centre forward. Getting Dieseruvwe fit and seeing if he can prove doubters wrong before January is something we can hope for. For now, Henderson would be the alternative to Brown.


Paterson has the experience to play as a 10. East could be another option there. With players coming back there will be a lot of options. The good thing is that we can manage the minutes of the midfielders and not expect then to have to play the full game.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 10:56 - Nov 11 with 0 viewssamueloneils

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 20:19 - Nov 10 by 442Dale

Playing EEL and Flint together in a back four would leave us exposed to pace. It could work in a three but even then it’s a question of whether either can play anywhere but centrally.

Paterson isn’t a midfielder. Could play as the 10 but has shown little to show he offers anything more than Henderson. Watson commented about the size of the squad, but signing Paterson when we have plenty of other options just muddies the water further. We have to get people out in January.

Hannant doesn’t play centre forward. Getting Dieseruvwe fit and seeing if he can prove doubters wrong before January is something we can hope for. For now, Henderson would be the alternative to Brown.


You are quite wrong about Jamie Paterson. I saw him play many times for Bristol City . Very versatile but never an out and out striker. He was more of an attacking midfielder, very mobile and intelligent. He could certainly play a no. 10 role or as a link man out of defence, I would love to see he and Hendo together for a sustained spell. Both creative and lively.

I agree EEL and Flint lack pace but both work on anticipation rather than speed, which is an asset we dont possess except for wingplay. There is nobody coming back from injury who has pace as far as I can see, and last year Whatmuff playing so far upfield provided a sweeper role.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 11:43 - Nov 11 with 0 viewsD_Alien

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 10:56 - Nov 11 by samueloneils

You are quite wrong about Jamie Paterson. I saw him play many times for Bristol City . Very versatile but never an out and out striker. He was more of an attacking midfielder, very mobile and intelligent. He could certainly play a no. 10 role or as a link man out of defence, I would love to see he and Hendo together for a sustained spell. Both creative and lively.

I agree EEL and Flint lack pace but both work on anticipation rather than speed, which is an asset we dont possess except for wingplay. There is nobody coming back from injury who has pace as far as I can see, and last year Whatmuff playing so far upfield provided a sweeper role.


If we played with three at the back, EEL and Flint could be supplemented by Wilson, who has pace (if not yet the experience to anticipate quite so well) or perhaps Bilongo

I too would like to see Paterson and Hendo spending time on the pitch together, although it's more likely they'd play in a similar role. Keeping the ball on the floor might even benefit Mani D on his return since it's his aerial prowess that's been lacking (except when directly in on goal)

It may still take a while, as players out injured return to fitness, to establish a settled team but the key has got to be quality and allowing those with the better skillsets to knit together

Poll: What are you planning to do v Newport

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 13:23 - Nov 11 with 0 views442Dale

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 10:56 - Nov 11 by samueloneils

You are quite wrong about Jamie Paterson. I saw him play many times for Bristol City . Very versatile but never an out and out striker. He was more of an attacking midfielder, very mobile and intelligent. He could certainly play a no. 10 role or as a link man out of defence, I would love to see he and Hendo together for a sustained spell. Both creative and lively.

I agree EEL and Flint lack pace but both work on anticipation rather than speed, which is an asset we dont possess except for wingplay. There is nobody coming back from injury who has pace as far as I can see, and last year Whatmuff playing so far upfield provided a sweeper role.


It was the point saying midfield has to include Paterson if he’s fit. He could only play as the 10 in the current formation, not as a traditional midfielder.

The problem around that is back to the issues about how open we are across the pitch, that 10 role has been one of the reasons. The distances are far too great. It would only work effectively, in my opinion, with a player such as East there - a proper midfielder who can drop into a three when we haven’t got the ball.

No doubting Paterson’s pedigree but when it comes to the issue Watson mentioned about having too big a squad. We need to offload people in January.

Poll: Greatest Ever Dale Game

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 22:13 - Nov 11 with 0 views442Dale

Remembered from the summer… This was the squad before the Bradford game:

GK
Ramming (on loan), Waller, Spaven

Defenders (inc full backs):
EEL, Beckwith, Maguire, Moss, TAR, Bilongo, Wilson (on loan), Sherring.

Midfielders:
East, Gilmour, Pettit, Francis. (Jenkins long-term injury)

Forwards (inc. no.10s/wide players)
Dieseruvwe, Rodney, Henderson, Hayes, Hannant, Silcott-Duberry, Smith, Brown (on loan)

3 keepers, 8 defenders, 4 midfielders, 8 forward players.


A squad that wasn’t too big. Obviously injuries then hit. This is where we are at present:

GK
Waller, Spaven, Ramming (injured)

Defenders (inc full backs):
EEL, Beckwith (injured) Maguire (injured) TAR, Bilongo, Wilson (on loan), Sherring (injured), Tasker (on loan), Flint.
Moss (long-term injury)

Midfielders:
East, Gilmour, Pettit, Francis, Adeeko. (Jenkins long-term injury)

Forwards (inc. no.10s/wide players)
Dieseruvwe (injured), Rodney (injured) Henderson, Hayes, Hannant, Silcott-Duberry, Smith (injured), Brown (on loan), Middleton, Paterson.

Current fit players:
2 keepers, 6 defenders, 5 midfielders, 7 forward players.

Again, a reasonable squad size.

Yet when (if) those not yet announced as out long term are back it will look like this:
3 keepers, 8 defenders, 5 midfielders, 10 forward players.

We can’t keep adding to that without movement out first.

Poll: Greatest Ever Dale Game

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 07:35 - Nov 12 with 0 viewsisitme

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 22:13 - Nov 11 by 442Dale

Remembered from the summer… This was the squad before the Bradford game:

GK
Ramming (on loan), Waller, Spaven

Defenders (inc full backs):
EEL, Beckwith, Maguire, Moss, TAR, Bilongo, Wilson (on loan), Sherring.

Midfielders:
East, Gilmour, Pettit, Francis. (Jenkins long-term injury)

Forwards (inc. no.10s/wide players)
Dieseruvwe, Rodney, Henderson, Hayes, Hannant, Silcott-Duberry, Smith, Brown (on loan)

3 keepers, 8 defenders, 4 midfielders, 8 forward players.


A squad that wasn’t too big. Obviously injuries then hit. This is where we are at present:

GK
Waller, Spaven, Ramming (injured)

Defenders (inc full backs):
EEL, Beckwith (injured) Maguire (injured) TAR, Bilongo, Wilson (on loan), Sherring (injured), Tasker (on loan), Flint.
Moss (long-term injury)

Midfielders:
East, Gilmour, Pettit, Francis, Adeeko. (Jenkins long-term injury)

Forwards (inc. no.10s/wide players)
Dieseruvwe (injured), Rodney (injured) Henderson, Hayes, Hannant, Silcott-Duberry, Smith (injured), Brown (on loan), Middleton, Paterson.

Current fit players:
2 keepers, 6 defenders, 5 midfielders, 7 forward players.

Again, a reasonable squad size.

Yet when (if) those not yet announced as out long term are back it will look like this:
3 keepers, 8 defenders, 5 midfielders, 10 forward players.

We can’t keep adding to that without movement out first.


Add in Taylor and we have even more central midfielders and wide players. The main issue is the composition of the squad. Who is the 10 in the 442? Unless Jenkins was going to play there we started the season with a hole. We have five wide players and others who can play there. We have a number of centre backs with only Wilson and Bilongo who is more of a full/wing back who have any pace. Outside of Dieseruvwe there is no real back up for Brown and he has struggled to make an impact.

The transfer window will be interesting and as you say some will need to leave before others come in.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 10:56 - Nov 12 with 0 viewssamueloneils

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 22:13 - Nov 11 by 442Dale

Remembered from the summer… This was the squad before the Bradford game:

GK
Ramming (on loan), Waller, Spaven

Defenders (inc full backs):
EEL, Beckwith, Maguire, Moss, TAR, Bilongo, Wilson (on loan), Sherring.

Midfielders:
East, Gilmour, Pettit, Francis. (Jenkins long-term injury)

Forwards (inc. no.10s/wide players)
Dieseruvwe, Rodney, Henderson, Hayes, Hannant, Silcott-Duberry, Smith, Brown (on loan)

3 keepers, 8 defenders, 4 midfielders, 8 forward players.


A squad that wasn’t too big. Obviously injuries then hit. This is where we are at present:

GK
Waller, Spaven, Ramming (injured)

Defenders (inc full backs):
EEL, Beckwith (injured) Maguire (injured) TAR, Bilongo, Wilson (on loan), Sherring (injured), Tasker (on loan), Flint.
Moss (long-term injury)

Midfielders:
East, Gilmour, Pettit, Francis, Adeeko. (Jenkins long-term injury)

Forwards (inc. no.10s/wide players)
Dieseruvwe (injured), Rodney (injured) Henderson, Hayes, Hannant, Silcott-Duberry, Smith (injured), Brown (on loan), Middleton, Paterson.

Current fit players:
2 keepers, 6 defenders, 5 midfielders, 7 forward players.

Again, a reasonable squad size.

Yet when (if) those not yet announced as out long term are back it will look like this:
3 keepers, 8 defenders, 5 midfielders, 10 forward players.

We can’t keep adding to that without movement out first.


My concern is the runup to Year-end. We need the best players available up till then.

York
Northampton
Barnet
Cheltenham
Newport in the Cup
Exeter
Bristol R
Rotherham
Salford

We desperately need 10 points minimum from the league games.

As it stands Taylor`s loan and Flint`s contract end in January.
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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 12:02 - Nov 12 with 0 viewsD_Alien

FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 10:56 - Nov 12 by samueloneils

My concern is the runup to Year-end. We need the best players available up till then.

York
Northampton
Barnet
Cheltenham
Newport in the Cup
Exeter
Bristol R
Rotherham
Salford

We desperately need 10 points minimum from the league games.

As it stands Taylor`s loan and Flint`s contract end in January.


You're absolutely right, this is going to be a very testing period

The cup win may have helped restore a bit of morale, but the fundamentals haven't really changed and even with players returning from lengthy injury layoffs, it'll take time to get them up to speed (they won't be at their best) and even then, we're some distance from what might be called a settled first XI, a team that's fully tuned up

It took JM three seasons to get there

With all the other issues IW has to contend with, keeping everyone reasonably happy is pretty major. Players who might be shipped out in January aren't going to be busting a gut (there will be a glut for other clubs to choose from, with the "shop window" being a bit of a false hope, and if they were performing well, why are we looking to ship them out, etc.). All this is something he's unlikely to have experience of; he's admitted the squad size doesn't help when most of them are fit to play

So... gaining points will be a struggle, but essential. Hang on to your seats, it's going to be a (continuing) bumpy ride, starting Saturday
[Post edited 12 Nov 12:03]

Poll: What are you planning to do v Newport

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FA Cup - A Bit of Positivity on 18:05 - Nov 12 with 0 viewsEdindale

Agree DA but I don't see why we cant get points against Northampton, Bristol, Rotherham and Exeter. Don't think we can get 10 but possibly two wins and two draws.

Regarding players we need to be more resilient and develop more of an attacking threat. Leaving Mani out of the matchday squad is probably counterproductive in this regard unless he is injured.

As has been mentioned I am hopeful that Paterson / East can perform in the No 10 role.

There has to be a clear out in January and a focus on more quality in 3-4 key positions.
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