| Jamie Allen on 16:27 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 442Dale |
Obviously a fantastic footballer, but we already had five midfielders including two who have battled back from injury to get back involved again.
You can’t complain about how big the squad has become one week and then make decisions which impact those already waiting for a chance to prove they can contribute.
Again though, watching Allen play was always a pleasure. A player who could see the picture before he even got the ball. |  |
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| Jamie Allen on 16:28 - Nov 13 with 0 views | dingdangblue |
| Jamie Allen on 16:27 - Nov 13 by 442Dale |
Obviously a fantastic footballer, but we already had five midfielders including two who have battled back from injury to get back involved again.
You can’t complain about how big the squad has become one week and then make decisions which impact those already waiting for a chance to prove they can contribute.
Again though, watching Allen play was always a pleasure. A player who could see the picture before he even got the ball. |
I think he's a lot better than what we've currently got. Great signing for me. |  |
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| Jamie Allen on 16:33 - Nov 13 with 0 views | D_Alien |
| Jamie Allen on 16:28 - Nov 13 by dingdangblue |
I think he's a lot better than what we've currently got. Great signing for me. |
It's not even a contest |  |
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| Jamie Allen on 16:34 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie Allen on 16:28 - Nov 13 by dingdangblue |
I think he's a lot better than what we've currently got. Great signing for me. |
Yes he is.
It was the contradiction about squad size issues. We can’t criticise the likes of Bury for collecting players in the past without offering the same sort of constructive criticism when we do similar.
Scenario:
Allen plays every week on his short term deal, gets a move to the championship in the new year. Players like Pettit/East have limited game time and look for moves themselves.
By January we could be looking for new midfielders again without those we have getting a real chance. | |
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| Jamie Allen on 16:44 - Nov 13 with 0 views | isitme |
31 and played a good number of games in the Championship promotion winning team last year, what a statement. Obviously a shop window kind of deal but if he is playing well and nothing better comes along who knows. Definitely a much better player than what we currently have. |  | | |
| Jamie Allen on 16:55 - Nov 13 with 0 views | tony_roch975 |
| Jamie Allen on 16:34 - Nov 13 by 442Dale |
Yes he is.
It was the contradiction about squad size issues. We can’t criticise the likes of Bury for collecting players in the past without offering the same sort of constructive criticism when we do similar.
Scenario:
Allen plays every week on his short term deal, gets a move to the championship in the new year. Players like Pettit/East have limited game time and look for moves themselves.
By January we could be looking for new midfielders again without those we have getting a real chance. |
You are of course right 442 about IW's recruitment failures but I went to the Open Training day in the Summer and spent 45 minutes watching Allen stroke passes all over the pitch, with the foresight and ease of the quality player he is. Let's hope his contribution helps build the sort of success which mean East, Gilmour and Petit want to stay. |  |
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| Jamie Allen on 17:02 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie Allen on 16:55 - Nov 13 by tony_roch975 |
You are of course right 442 about IW's recruitment failures but I went to the Open Training day in the Summer and spent 45 minutes watching Allen stroke passes all over the pitch, with the foresight and ease of the quality player he is. Let's hope his contribution helps build the sort of success which mean East, Gilmour and Petit want to stay. |
If I could watch Allen and Henderson for the rest of the season, that would be enough entertainment for me. Vision, movement, awareness. It’s the small things that stand out.
However, there’s having an awareness of the bigger picture and how it impacts the whole squad longer term. Let’s see how it plays out. The best case scenario is that we start winning games with whoever is in the team and the whole squad feels the benefit. Maybe Allen will stick around in that scenario too.
In the meantime, it’s bought Watson some time as it’s hard to demand a manager isn’t up to it whilst backing short term signings like this. | |
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| Jamie Allen on 17:35 - Nov 13 with 0 views | Rodingdale |
| Jamie Allen on 16:27 - Nov 13 by 442Dale |
Obviously a fantastic footballer, but we already had five midfielders including two who have battled back from injury to get back involved again.
You can’t complain about how big the squad has become one week and then make decisions which impact those already waiting for a chance to prove they can contribute.
Again though, watching Allen play was always a pleasure. A player who could see the picture before he even got the ball. |
Great signing. There are no buts. Jamie Allen gives Dale a better chance of winning matches. Enjoy your evening and look forward to the game. | | | |
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| Jamie Allen on 17:40 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie Allen on 17:35 - Nov 13 by Rodingdale |
Great signing. There are no buts. Jamie Allen gives Dale a better chance of winning matches. Enjoy your evening and look forward to the game. |
There are, in my opinion, ‘buts’. Don’t expect everyone to agree but they’ve been detailed.
Much the same as any other subject over the years. Good players/bad player. Bad managers. Very successful managers.
Out of interest, what would be everyone’s team and subs tomorrow with Allen’s arrival? | |
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| Jamie Allen on 17:43 - Nov 13 with 0 views | D_Alien |
| Jamie Allen on 17:35 - Nov 13 by Rodingdale |
Great signing. There are no buts. Jamie Allen gives Dale a better chance of winning matches. Enjoy your evening and look forward to the game. |
In a different thread i alluded to the fixtures between now and the new year. Having Allen conducting the midfield during this tense period, with players returning from injury competing (and learning) with others alongside him is indeed as big a picture as anyone who isn't determined to quibble could wish for | |
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| Jamie Allen on 17:45 - Nov 13 with 0 views | somdale |
I cannot see any negatives in signing a player if such pedigree, its just the lift the club needs, fantastic signing, let's just enjoy him whilst he is here | | | |
| Jamie Allen on 17:52 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie Allen on 17:43 - Nov 13 by D_Alien |
In a different thread i alluded to the fixtures between now and the new year. Having Allen conducting the midfield during this tense period, with players returning from injury competing (and learning) with others alongside him is indeed as big a picture as anyone who isn't determined to quibble could wish for |
And I see the point about him adding quality.
Prior to this signing I doubt anyone would have argued that we needed additions before January with the plethora of options in midfield. The manager commented on his issues with the current squad size.
That’s the contradiction. But as stated, if it plays out that we win more matches and move up the table, with the squad then able to build on that in the new year, it’ll be fantastic.
Watson will be also be glad to see the positivity around the signing. It vindicates his decision making. | |
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| Jamie Allen on 18:07 - Nov 13 with 0 views | RippDale |
| Jamie Allen on 17:52 - Nov 13 by 442Dale |
And I see the point about him adding quality.
Prior to this signing I doubt anyone would have argued that we needed additions before January with the plethora of options in midfield. The manager commented on his issues with the current squad size.
That’s the contradiction. But as stated, if it plays out that we win more matches and move up the table, with the squad then able to build on that in the new year, it’ll be fantastic.
Watson will be also be glad to see the positivity around the signing. It vindicates his decision making. |
We have needed a number 10 all season and he seemed to have played a more advanced role when I saw him at Coventry. There are still question marks about the transition of players from national league to league standard, so Jamie is what we need to help our survival | | | |
| Jamie Allen on 18:18 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie Allen on 18:07 - Nov 13 by RippDale |
We have needed a number 10 all season and he seemed to have played a more advanced role when I saw him at Coventry. There are still question marks about the transition of players from national league to league standard, so Jamie is what we need to help our survival |
That’s a decent shout. It would mean East missing out unless he plays deeper again with Gilmour.
Would also make Paterson’s role doubtful. And Taylor’s when he returns from injury (is he still with us?) | |
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| Jamie Allen on 18:26 - Nov 13 with 0 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Great to see the fella back here....one of our own indeed.
Can anyone define the " short term deal " bit......just how long? | | | |
| Jamie Allen on 18:41 - Nov 13 with 0 views | EllDale |
A cynic might say that he’s getting match fit for the transfer window.
So what? If he only keeps the midfield competitive whilst the likes of Pettit and East get minutes under their belt then all well and good.
My only regret is that he didn’t sign a few weeks ago. | | | |
| Jamie Allen on 18:59 - Nov 13 with 0 views | seasidedale |
Great signing but it makes me wonder if someone is injured or broken down and leaves us short, considering IW SAID WE HAVE A BIGGER SQUAD THAN HE PLANNED FOR | | | |
| Jamie Allen on 19:26 - Nov 13 with 0 views | jonahwhereru |
I remember him leaving a the death of the transfer window to go over to Burton. I was gutted but surprised at the time comments on here like”he hasn’t kicked on for us” were prevalent posts.
I think the lad has more than kicked on. He is Dale to the bottom of his boots. If the club can afford him there is no downside for me.
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| Jamie Allen on 21:24 - Nov 13 with 0 views | dingdangblue |
| Jamie Allen on 17:45 - Nov 13 by somdale |
I cannot see any negatives in signing a player if such pedigree, its just the lift the club needs, fantastic signing, let's just enjoy him whilst he is here |
Reminds me a bit of when Grant Holt came back for that short spell in League 1. Hopefully Allen gives us the same sort of boost. | |
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| Jamie Allen on 22:13 - Nov 13 with 0 views | rich_dale |
You'd say more positive than negative but adds to the ongoing volume and frantic nature of signings since the season started and may send negative signals to other players and cause some unrest. Also makes the Paterson signing feel a bit impulsive. That said, on paper we now have one of the best midfielders in the league plus the added homecoming factor. Hope it helps us to get more points in the next few weeks but some serious squad refinement needed in Jan. | | | |
| Jamie Allen on 23:25 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 49thseason |
This is a signing that shouldn't have needed a second of consideration. When quality like Jamie Allen presents itself , you have to take it with both hands. Our situation demands we put all hands on deck. The opportunity to play alongside a player with Jamie's pedigree is rare at this level, and frankly he will only make our younger players better. He is a player you could build a team around at 31 years old. Paterson and Allen should have enough to run midfield against most in this division.. maybe now the wingers will get better service and even Brown will benefit... |  | | |
| Jamie Allen on 07:24 - Nov 14 with 0 views | fitzochris |
I think we can all celebrate the brief return of Jamie Allen and the quality he brings, while still recognising that it doesn't make the wider questions about the squad go away.
Someone mentioned on this thread that they wouldn't be surprised if there were more injuries, and that wouldn't surprise me either given how things are going this season. In that regard, if Allen’s arrival means less square pegs in round holes, then all the better.
However, as I said in the piece I wrote after the Port Vale mauling, Watson has an unwieldy squad to manage, and that's about more than simply having enough players. It's keeping everyone involved, motivated and feeling they have a part to play. That's a particular skill, and I'm not convinced it's an easy task for him with this group.
He'll need everyone pulling in the same direction today, otherwise, another chastening afternoon could be on the cards. Here’s hoping it’s not and we can avenge the April fixture somewhat. |  |
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| Jamie Allen on 07:44 - Nov 14 with 0 views | 442Dale |
| Jamie Allen on 23:25 - Nov 13 by 49thseason |
This is a signing that shouldn't have needed a second of consideration. When quality like Jamie Allen presents itself , you have to take it with both hands. Our situation demands we put all hands on deck. The opportunity to play alongside a player with Jamie's pedigree is rare at this level, and frankly he will only make our younger players better. He is a player you could build a team around at 31 years old. Paterson and Allen should have enough to run midfield against most in this division.. maybe now the wingers will get better service and even Brown will benefit... |
How would you deploy Allen and Paterson together and who else plays in midfield?
It’s been said previously that we need more physicality in the team. As good as those two are, that issue is yet to be addressed.
Whilst praising the arrival of a very good player, it’s be interesting to see who fans would play and who they feel should miss out. | |
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| Jamie Allen on 08:52 - Nov 14 with 0 views | isitme |
| Jamie Allen on 07:44 - Nov 14 by 442Dale |
How would you deploy Allen and Paterson together and who else plays in midfield?
It’s been said previously that we need more physicality in the team. As good as those two are, that issue is yet to be addressed.
Whilst praising the arrival of a very good player, it’s be interesting to see who fans would play and who they feel should miss out. |
One starts and one benches playing in the 10. You could then play a combination of Gilmour/Adeeko/Pettit/East and Francis as the two behind them. This would depend on fitness and form. Pettit, East and Allen would offer the better passing midfield with better legs than if Francis played.
Whoever starts in midfield we have the option to replace them with fresh legs early in the second half. | | | |
| Jamie Allen on 09:36 - Nov 14 with 0 views | SJE_Dale |
We're not in a position to be massaging players' egos. We've been in freefall for a few weeks and if a player of such quality becomes available then we have to take that opportunity, regardless of the manager's thoughts about squad size.
I'd question this decision if we were top of the league. But we need a boost and and Jamie Allen wins football games. I actually think (hope) in the short term he could answer a lot of problems we have in midfield which I think in turn are the main contributor to our wider performances. | | | |
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