| Qatar World Cup 2022 14:04 - Nov 10 with 26117 views | HullDale |
England squad announced:
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 16:24 - Nov 26 with 3419 views | 49thseason |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 15:25 - Nov 26 by foreverhopefulDale |
Do Usa clubs play in the equivalent of the Uefa Champions League? |
The CONCACAF Champions League, formerly the CONCACAF Champions' Cup, is an association football competition established in 1962 by CONCACAF. It is considered the most important international competition for North American clubs. Clubs qualify for the Champions League based on their performance in national leagues.
US teams have won it 3 times and been runners up 3 times, Seattle Sounders won it in 2022
Canadian teams have been runners up twice
Mexican teams have won it 37 times and 4 out of the last 5 seasons! |  | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 16:49 - Nov 26 with 3381 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 16:24 - Nov 26 by 49thseason |
The CONCACAF Champions League, formerly the CONCACAF Champions' Cup, is an association football competition established in 1962 by CONCACAF. It is considered the most important international competition for North American clubs. Clubs qualify for the Champions League based on their performance in national leagues.
US teams have won it 3 times and been runners up 3 times, Seattle Sounders won it in 2022
Canadian teams have been runners up twice
Mexican teams have won it 37 times and 4 out of the last 5 seasons! |
Thanks for that. I suppose the next question is how do the best of the USA teams compare to European and South American teams. |  |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 17:32 - Nov 26 with 3336 views | D_Alien |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 16:49 - Nov 26 by foreverhopefulDale |
Thanks for that. I suppose the next question is how do the best of the USA teams compare to European and South American teams. |
I think the answer to that can be judged by the recruitment policy of US teams. They tend to be the final payday for some of Europe's best players such as Bale, Rooney, Beckham and before them, the likes of George Best and Pele. All of them are or were well past their prime |  |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 18:36 - Nov 26 with 3249 views | 49thseason |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 17:32 - Nov 26 by D_Alien |
I think the answer to that can be judged by the recruitment policy of US teams. They tend to be the final payday for some of Europe's best players such as Bale, Rooney, Beckham and before them, the likes of George Best and Pele. All of them are or were well past their prime |
To be fair DA, I think those days are disappearing fast. It was a way of kick starting the sport in the US but when you now look at the top teams they are essentially home grown talent, or overseas talent that has come through the US grassroots systems. The numbers of players are incredible with 250,000 a year going into University soccer programmes. Imagine when the US will have 10 times as many professional teams as we do in the uk, maybe only 10- 20 years from now... and we will still be talking about where to build a training ground and if we can have half- season tickets...assuming we haven't gone to the wall by then | | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 18:58 - Nov 26 with 3228 views | 442Dale |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 18:36 - Nov 26 by 49thseason |
To be fair DA, I think those days are disappearing fast. It was a way of kick starting the sport in the US but when you now look at the top teams they are essentially home grown talent, or overseas talent that has come through the US grassroots systems. The numbers of players are incredible with 250,000 a year going into University soccer programmes. Imagine when the US will have 10 times as many professional teams as we do in the uk, maybe only 10- 20 years from now... and we will still be talking about where to build a training ground and if we can have half- season tickets...assuming we haven't gone to the wall by then |
But nearly thirty years since they hosted the World Cup, there’s still no league system that rewards sporting achievement ie. Promotion and relegation. As poorly regulated as we are in England, that’s something that makes our football streets ahead of what they serve up in the States. They’ve always had excellent college systems, as they do for a lot of sports, but the MLS hasn’t captured the attention of players or fans outside the States and the top American players usually look to move to Europe very quickly.
If that wasn’t the case then players would be heading there during their prime years, but they aren’t. Names like Bale, Shaqiri and Benteke sum that up at the moment. There’s no doubt they’ve progressed the sport in the US, but until it moves away from the financially focused franchise system, it’s doubtful their domestic game will ever be able to be compared to the fundamental importance of how by winning games, you can achieve in English football.
That’s why we’ve just had the best decade or so in the club’s history. With no training ground and doing half season tickets on occasion. [Post edited 26 Nov 2022 19:02]
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 19:06 - Nov 26 with 3213 views | D_Alien |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 18:36 - Nov 26 by 49thseason |
To be fair DA, I think those days are disappearing fast. It was a way of kick starting the sport in the US but when you now look at the top teams they are essentially home grown talent, or overseas talent that has come through the US grassroots systems. The numbers of players are incredible with 250,000 a year going into University soccer programmes. Imagine when the US will have 10 times as many professional teams as we do in the uk, maybe only 10- 20 years from now... and we will still be talking about where to build a training ground and if we can have half- season tickets...assuming we haven't gone to the wall by then |
But we're not comparing the US with Dale
I take your point about the numbers, but success in football (thankfully) continues to evade attempts to reduce it to just numbers. When the US system produces its first world class footballer, then i think we can start to take the possibility of US hegemony at tournaments seriously, alongside its hegemony in many aspects of popular culture and technology
What we're seeing at the moment is a US team that's technically adept, well-coached and energetic. It'll be interesting to see how far that takes them, both in 2022 and in 20 years time | |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 19:15 - Nov 26 with 3175 views | 442Dale |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 19:06 - Nov 26 by D_Alien |
But we're not comparing the US with Dale
I take your point about the numbers, but success in football (thankfully) continues to evade attempts to reduce it to just numbers. When the US system produces its first world class footballer, then i think we can start to take the possibility of US hegemony at tournaments seriously, alongside its hegemony in many aspects of popular culture and technology
What we're seeing at the moment is a US team that's technically adept, well-coached and energetic. It'll be interesting to see how far that takes them, both in 2022 and in 20 years time |
If they lose to Iran, they will have fallen short of the achievements of the ‘94 side. | |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 22:00 - Nov 26 with 3074 views | dingdangblue |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 17:32 - Nov 26 by D_Alien |
I think the answer to that can be judged by the recruitment policy of US teams. They tend to be the final payday for some of Europe's best players such as Bale, Rooney, Beckham and before them, the likes of George Best and Pele. All of them are or were well past their prime |
Peter Thomas is yet to peak! |  |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 09:39 - Nov 28 with 2832 views | AtThePeake |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 19:15 - Nov 26 by 442Dale |
If they lose to Iran, they will have fallen short of the achievements of the ‘94 side. |
And it's worth noting that they didn't even qualify for the last World Cup.
I watch a bit of MLS and it's certainly improving, but not a rapid rate by any stretch and a lot of the players that play in that league would still struggle in L1/L2. You only have to look at the players that are dominating the league to see what the level is like. Last year's top scorer, Hany Mukhtar, scored 23 goals for Nashville. He played for Brondby before moving to the US two years ago and he scored 18 goals in 77 games in Denmark. He was followed by Sebastian Driussi, who managed fewer goals in five years and 95 appearances in the Russian Premier League for Zenit than he has in one season in MLS. Meanwhile, 34 year olds Chicharito and Gonzalo Higuain scored 18 and 16 times respectively last season. It's a fun league to watch at times because it's high-scoring and has a very different vibe to the Premier League, but it's miles away from the European leagues at the moment. |  |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 10:06 - Nov 28 with 2813 views | pioneer |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 09:39 - Nov 28 by AtThePeake |
And it's worth noting that they didn't even qualify for the last World Cup.
I watch a bit of MLS and it's certainly improving, but not a rapid rate by any stretch and a lot of the players that play in that league would still struggle in L1/L2. You only have to look at the players that are dominating the league to see what the level is like. Last year's top scorer, Hany Mukhtar, scored 23 goals for Nashville. He played for Brondby before moving to the US two years ago and he scored 18 goals in 77 games in Denmark. He was followed by Sebastian Driussi, who managed fewer goals in five years and 95 appearances in the Russian Premier League for Zenit than he has in one season in MLS. Meanwhile, 34 year olds Chicharito and Gonzalo Higuain scored 18 and 16 times respectively last season. It's a fun league to watch at times because it's high-scoring and has a very different vibe to the Premier League, but it's miles away from the European leagues at the moment. |
neither did italy!
They are a much better team than 25 years ago. I think their biggest problem is they are a big fish in a low quality pool in CONCACAF so they rarely are tested competitively against stronger nations.
Australia managed to get themselves transferred from the south pacific confederation to the Asian confederation to improve the competitiveness.
Probably will never happen but US (and Mexico) would benefit from being part of conmebol. They have ocasionally been invited to play in the South American championships as guests but they need that level of competition on an on going basis. You can only go so far playing honduras and el salvador on a regular basis. |  | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 10:10 - Nov 28 with 2810 views | pioneer |
Anybody else longing for the return of England playing in navy blue shorts?
If you look like Leeds United dont be surprised if you play like them. | | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 10:13 - Nov 28 with 2790 views | 442Dale |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 10:10 - Nov 28 by pioneer |
Anybody else longing for the return of England playing in navy blue shorts?
If you look like Leeds United dont be surprised if you play like them. |
They do play in navy as first choice again now. As seen v Iran.
Changed to the alternative white shorts against the US as they were in all navy. | |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 11:15 - Nov 28 with 2759 views | TVOS1907 |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 10:10 - Nov 28 by pioneer |
Anybody else longing for the return of England playing in navy blue shorts?
If you look like Leeds United dont be surprised if you play like them. |
You can't have seen Leeds play in recent seasons. |  |
| You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked? |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 18:38 - Nov 28 with 2568 views | AtThePeake |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 10:06 - Nov 28 by pioneer |
neither did italy!
They are a much better team than 25 years ago. I think their biggest problem is they are a big fish in a low quality pool in CONCACAF so they rarely are tested competitively against stronger nations.
Australia managed to get themselves transferred from the south pacific confederation to the Asian confederation to improve the competitiveness.
Probably will never happen but US (and Mexico) would benefit from being part of conmebol. They have ocasionally been invited to play in the South American championships as guests but they need that level of competition on an on going basis. You can only go so far playing honduras and el salvador on a regular basis. |
But at least Italy didn't qualify from the UEFA qualifying - USA failed to qualify from the "low quality pool" that is CONCACAF! | |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 19:50 - Nov 28 with 2520 views | _Windydale |
Very poor, Lee Dixon as a commentator of the Brazil game, he doesnt add anything to the entertainment. You can barely here his uninteresting musings.
I'm sure the dynamic duo from Dale commentary would do a better job. Minus the sh1t jokes. | | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 20:23 - Nov 28 with 2487 views | Brierls |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 19:50 - Nov 28 by _Windydale |
Very poor, Lee Dixon as a commentator of the Brazil game, he doesnt add anything to the entertainment. You can barely here his uninteresting musings.
I'm sure the dynamic duo from Dale commentary would do a better job. Minus the sh1t jokes. |
Lee Dixon is stealing a wage out there. I know the BBC and ITV need big teams out there to cover all these games, but I’m surprised they need to go as low down the pecking order as Dixon. It’s just dull, moaning, repetitive drivel. |  | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 03:48 - Nov 29 with 2400 views | richfoad32 |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 19:50 - Nov 28 by _Windydale |
Very poor, Lee Dixon as a commentator of the Brazil game, he doesnt add anything to the entertainment. You can barely here his uninteresting musings.
I'm sure the dynamic duo from Dale commentary would do a better job. Minus the sh1t jokes. |
Dixon isn't great but at least he doesn't buy into the hyperbole like most commentators and get a hard on every time Brazil string more than two passes together. The fawning is excruciating. | | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 09:39 - Nov 30 with 2041 views | AtThePeake |
Really professional performance from England last night.
Rashford was awful in the first half but it was great to see him get those two goals in the second half. Around this time last season he looked like he was on an almost Dele Alli-esque slide into mediocrity but it's testament to his character that he's bounced back to somewhere near his best and he has to start against Senegal now. | |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 21:46 - Nov 30 with 1778 views | Brierls |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 09:39 - Nov 30 by AtThePeake |
Really professional performance from England last night.
Rashford was awful in the first half but it was great to see him get those two goals in the second half. Around this time last season he looked like he was on an almost Dele Alli-esque slide into mediocrity but it's testament to his character that he's bounced back to somewhere near his best and he has to start against Senegal now. |
I agree with that. I was calling for Saka to replace Rashford at half time, but a great strike for the free kick had him full of confidence after that. Some tough choices to by made for what look like two forwards plus Kane. On paper Sterling has done the least, but he’s got the most big game experience.
He won’t get anywhere near the credit he deserves, but that was a tactical masterclass from Southgate. Keep things tight in the first half, then exploit tactical changes in the second half. The England goals probably came earlier than expected but we weren’t threatened at the other end.
Qualified top of the group, unbeaten, two clean sheets, with what looks like it will be the second best goal difference in the group stages.
F’kin boooooo. | | | |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 22:49 - Nov 30 with 1730 views | R17ALE |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 21:46 - Nov 30 by Brierls |
I agree with that. I was calling for Saka to replace Rashford at half time, but a great strike for the free kick had him full of confidence after that. Some tough choices to by made for what look like two forwards plus Kane. On paper Sterling has done the least, but he’s got the most big game experience.
He won’t get anywhere near the credit he deserves, but that was a tactical masterclass from Southgate. Keep things tight in the first half, then exploit tactical changes in the second half. The England goals probably came earlier than expected but we weren’t threatened at the other end.
Qualified top of the group, unbeaten, two clean sheets, with what looks like it will be the second best goal difference in the group stages.
F’kin boooooo. |
I'm enjoying this World Cup but I'm not getting carried away. We've beaten the equivalent of Plymouth (Iran), and Birmingham (Wales) and drawn with Fulham (USA).
Senegal will be sort of Villa and if we win it'll be City (France). If we beat them I'll be getting carried away. |  |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 09:30 - Dec 1 with 1618 views | AtThePeake |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 22:49 - Nov 30 by R17ALE |
I'm enjoying this World Cup but I'm not getting carried away. We've beaten the equivalent of Plymouth (Iran), and Birmingham (Wales) and drawn with Fulham (USA).
Senegal will be sort of Villa and if we win it'll be City (France). If we beat them I'll be getting carried away. |
I think those Plymouth and Birmingham analogies should be swapped round judging on the game between the two teams!
Worth noting that the last 4 winners of the WC have dropped unexpected points in the group stage. France vs Denmark last time out, Germany vs Ghana in 2010, Spain vs Switzerland in 2010, and indeed Italy against none other than the USA in 2006. Only two teams (Brazil and Portugal) are still able to qualify from the group stages with all nine points this time around.
This is probably just me drawing conclusions that aren't there to be drawn as I like to do, but I think it gives some context to that draw against the USA and shows that teams are perhaps sometimes willing to play out a draw in one game as it can still leave them in the strongest position in the group and it isn't always worth taking risks and opening up in a relatively tough game when there are two other opportunities to pick up wins. I think we'd see a different performance if we happened to play USA in the knock-out stages. | |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 12:46 - Dec 1 with 1502 views | DaleiLama |
And they'll be miked up so someone in the VAR booth can explain the offside rule to her.
I don't care if this is marked down, but fwiw, don't think for a second think I meant it. It was entirely tongue in cheek sarcasm, meant as a poke to the Neanderthals who still think women shouldn't be at games. I entirely support this and her game too - the only way it could be any better is if they came out with 1-love armbands on. My g/f is an avid footy fan, as is her daughter and one of my best mates wives follows the Imps home and away with him and has been to more grounds than about 99.999% of males I know - the last game they attended was in Leeds for the Yorkshire Amateur v Hallam in NE Counties Premier League. They will literally go anywhere in the UK and now Europe to watch live footy. If only there were more like them. |  |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 13:02 - Dec 1 with 1492 views | D_Alien |
| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 12:46 - Dec 1 by DaleiLama |
And they'll be miked up so someone in the VAR booth can explain the offside rule to her.
I don't care if this is marked down, but fwiw, don't think for a second think I meant it. It was entirely tongue in cheek sarcasm, meant as a poke to the Neanderthals who still think women shouldn't be at games. I entirely support this and her game too - the only way it could be any better is if they came out with 1-love armbands on. My g/f is an avid footy fan, as is her daughter and one of my best mates wives follows the Imps home and away with him and has been to more grounds than about 99.999% of males I know - the last game they attended was in Leeds for the Yorkshire Amateur v Hallam in NE Counties Premier League. They will literally go anywhere in the UK and now Europe to watch live footy. If only there were more like them. |
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| Qatar World Cup 2022 on 14:18 - Dec 1 with 1454 views | EllDale |
One of the best referees I've seen in the last 18 months or so was the lady who was in charge once at Spotland last season. The centenary match against Colchester? | | | |
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