| Cargiant site on 11:51 - Apr 17 with 3313 views | daveB |
| Cargiant site on 09:23 - Apr 17 by SpongeParr |
They have always wanted to move stadium, and any good owner should!
Point 1. Clubs bigger than us have moved from more historic stadiums and made it work. Think Arsenal, Spurs are the obvious prem ones. Even Milan, Athelico are moving.
If we could develop LR then I think 100% of the fan base would be all for it. The only way to do that is by the council helping us out. We can't simply buy the school, buy the homes etc. We would need SAR to be able to be built on and then be able to pretty much knock down and start again.
LR where it is, legally, we cannot make bigger as if we knocked any stand down, we would then have to build to current regs and we wouldn't be allowed for it to be as steep.
2. Not really sure what your point is. Of course the owners of the club can do what they want with it. Ruben & co could have bought LR from us, own it, then cause loads of damage. They haven't done that and it would make no finantial sense for them to build something unuasble with no crowds as they would lose money.
3. The strategy is to be more sustainable. Look at the training, look at who we are buying. All young, potential players rather than just players who have played for half of the league already.
I genuinely fail to see why fans wouldn't want us to have a new stadium. Everyone loves LR and it will be a shame to eventually move but we need to unlock our potential and stop being so scared of change, just because LR means so much. |
I suppose it depends what you want from a new stadium and what you think it will bring.
A new stadium would give you a better chance of selling more food and drink in the stadium, better leg room, more boxes etc so an increase in revenue. Even with that it would take multiple years before that increase matches what it cost to build it but that is all a benefit.
You can do loads wit it, a museum, better shop, open some pubs on the land and more all positives.
Much like the training ground it helps but isn't the main reason for getting better players. We had some good prospects like Chair, Eze etc when at Harlington, it's more about what you do in training than where you do it, same with the stadium.
Arsenal made it work but were left behind for 10 years by rival clubs as they were paying off the stadium, they are in a better place now but still 22 years and counting since they last won the league. Spurs are in a similar boat and now heading to the Championship. A new stadium isn't a magic wand to make things better, there are downsides to a new stadium.
The location is the main issue for me. Old Oak isn't ideal for QPR, travel not great, a really run down area and like West Ham you are giving up your main competitive advantage of having a difficult stadium to visit for opposition teams into a nice shiny new thing with loads of extra away fans.
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| Cargiant site on 11:55 - Apr 17 with 3280 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cargiant site on 09:29 - Apr 17 by SpongeParr |
Disagree, on the stadium part (they are clearly well run).
Brighton, new ground in 2011, promoted 2016.
Fulham had a bigger ground than us at the time and now it's bigger still and loads of extra money coming in.
Brentford obv well run but now getting loads of extra money and an established club.
The likes of Cardiff etc got promoted, got loads of money and guess what, they are still getting loads of money that they could re invest if they had decent owners. |
Agree. Do people really think Brighton and Brentford would have been able to stay in the PL for as long as they have if they were still playing at the Withdean / Griffin Park?
It might not be a barrier to getting promoted - Luton, us and Brentford prove that - but having a modern stadium with an optimised capacity makes it far more likely that you can adapt to the PL and stay there. Bournemouth are pretty much the single outlier from that perspective. And you'd have to think they're only one poor manager appointment away from coming back down to earth. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:12 - Apr 17 with 3189 views | slmrstid |
If anyone has ever been to Gent and the stadium there, they would note that there is an Albert Heijn supermarket built into it that is open seven days a week (no idea how it works on a football day, it was a non-matchday when I was there).
If you built a new stadium in an area being regenerated with lots of housing like Old Oak Common, I'd be willing to bet having space (or more) within it that can be rented out to a commercial business like, say Tesco, that is open seven days a week all year round would yield greater income overall than having some conference rooms used occasionally. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:13 - Apr 17 with 3184 views | Northernr |
| Cargiant site on 12:12 - Apr 17 by slmrstid |
If anyone has ever been to Gent and the stadium there, they would note that there is an Albert Heijn supermarket built into it that is open seven days a week (no idea how it works on a football day, it was a non-matchday when I was there).
If you built a new stadium in an area being regenerated with lots of housing like Old Oak Common, I'd be willing to bet having space (or more) within it that can be rented out to a commercial business like, say Tesco, that is open seven days a week all year round would yield greater income overall than having some conference rooms used occasionally. |
Which is why that train depot is an issue. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:13 - Apr 17 with 3182 views | daveB |
| Cargiant site on 09:29 - Apr 17 by SpongeParr |
Disagree, on the stadium part (they are clearly well run).
Brighton, new ground in 2011, promoted 2016.
Fulham had a bigger ground than us at the time and now it's bigger still and loads of extra money coming in.
Brentford obv well run but now getting loads of extra money and an established club.
The likes of Cardiff etc got promoted, got loads of money and guess what, they are still getting loads of money that they could re invest if they had decent owners. |
The stadium moves though were not why they went past us. Thats just one part of it. Cardiff were pushing for promotion to the top flight before they moved and they've been pretty rubbish for the last 7/8 years. A nice shiny stadium helps but you need a lot more than that to be succsessful.
Brentford went up before anyone even got to go to their new stadium, the money they are getting is from being a very good side and being in the top flight with huge tv money | | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:24 - Apr 17 with 3125 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cargiant site on 12:13 - Apr 17 by daveB |
The stadium moves though were not why they went past us. Thats just one part of it. Cardiff were pushing for promotion to the top flight before they moved and they've been pretty rubbish for the last 7/8 years. A nice shiny stadium helps but you need a lot more than that to be succsessful.
Brentford went up before anyone even got to go to their new stadium, the money they are getting is from being a very good side and being in the top flight with huge tv money |
Dave I can't see your point here really. It appears to be that a new stadium doesn't guarantee success because some teams that have a new stadium aren't in the PL? If so, I'm not sure anyone is under the impression in would guarantee success.
What's the alternative? We wait until we get it right for a couple of seasons and are banging on the playoff / PL door then quickly acquire land, build a stadium, move to it before we revert to mid-table type? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:36 - Apr 17 with 3079 views | Andybrat |
| Cargiant site on 12:24 - Apr 17 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Dave I can't see your point here really. It appears to be that a new stadium doesn't guarantee success because some teams that have a new stadium aren't in the PL? If so, I'm not sure anyone is under the impression in would guarantee success.
What's the alternative? We wait until we get it right for a couple of seasons and are banging on the playoff / PL door then quickly acquire land, build a stadium, move to it before we revert to mid-table type? |
It looks to me this is the only realistic option on making us a sustainable club in tandem with player trading, which is the aim of the ownership. We have to respect that as not many of us could put in £2M each month to keep the lights on. For the owners they get a profitable Real Estate deal to hopefully reward their loyalty to the club and we don’t get a West Ham type stadium. The transport problems must be overcome because the whole idea of flats and regeneration doesn’t work otherwise.
I so love LR, as did my dad and grandad, but …….
Mind you get in the Prem next year and who knows we might be able to dig down
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| Cargiant site on 12:37 - Apr 17 with 3075 views | daveB |
| Cargiant site on 12:24 - Apr 17 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Dave I can't see your point here really. It appears to be that a new stadium doesn't guarantee success because some teams that have a new stadium aren't in the PL? If so, I'm not sure anyone is under the impression in would guarantee success.
What's the alternative? We wait until we get it right for a couple of seasons and are banging on the playoff / PL door then quickly acquire land, build a stadium, move to it before we revert to mid-table type? |
I just don't think it is a guarantee for success; it can help like a new training ground can but if we are moving with the idea that it will make us more successful, I don't think that's a reality.
I'm not saying we don't do anything until we are any good but we need to be realistic about what a new stadium means and on the pitch it won't change a great deal imo
There are benefits to a new stadium and I'm not against moving, an increased income when we have home matches for starters but we shouldn't hide away from it's going to cost an absolute fortune and we've seen multiple examples of this not always working out for teams.
The key issue for me is the location, Clive has already pointed out a massive issue will be the depot in the middle of it so you are restricted straight away.
Alternatives are develop our own stadium or find a better site for a stadium. A move to old oak in my opinion is not the answer. [Post edited 17 Apr 12:38]
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| Cargiant site on 12:59 - Apr 17 with 2976 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cargiant site on 12:37 - Apr 17 by daveB |
I just don't think it is a guarantee for success; it can help like a new training ground can but if we are moving with the idea that it will make us more successful, I don't think that's a reality.
I'm not saying we don't do anything until we are any good but we need to be realistic about what a new stadium means and on the pitch it won't change a great deal imo
There are benefits to a new stadium and I'm not against moving, an increased income when we have home matches for starters but we shouldn't hide away from it's going to cost an absolute fortune and we've seen multiple examples of this not always working out for teams.
The key issue for me is the location, Clive has already pointed out a massive issue will be the depot in the middle of it so you are restricted straight away.
Alternatives are develop our own stadium or find a better site for a stadium. A move to old oak in my opinion is not the answer. [Post edited 17 Apr 12:38]
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Again - I haven't seen a single post suggesting that it will guarantee success... Or even that we need a new stadium to enable on-pitch success. For me the two aren't linked. I do believe though that if we did find an upward trend, move up the division or even get back into the PL we'd find it far more easy to adapt and sustain in a new stadium than at LR.
If your point is about Old Oak specifically; that's fair enough. It does worry me. It's easy to consider it a move to a soulless industrial estate like so many other clubs have done. And if it's a single tier bowl stadium it would absolutely break my heart. Any bowl stadium actually.
The problem is... Assuming the current footprint isn't workable... What other options are there? And why would they suddenly become available now when they haven't been for the last 20 years?
I rather see it as a sign of the English football times more than anything. Much else isn't viable, especially in London, especially in our borough. It's been great to resist it for so long but denying the inevitable now rather stinks to me like Kodak denying the rise of digital photography. So you have to be careful what you wish for on both sides. [Post edited 17 Apr 13:00]
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| Cargiant site on 13:04 - Apr 17 with 2939 views | Maggsinho |
| Cargiant site on 12:37 - Apr 17 by daveB |
I just don't think it is a guarantee for success; it can help like a new training ground can but if we are moving with the idea that it will make us more successful, I don't think that's a reality.
I'm not saying we don't do anything until we are any good but we need to be realistic about what a new stadium means and on the pitch it won't change a great deal imo
There are benefits to a new stadium and I'm not against moving, an increased income when we have home matches for starters but we shouldn't hide away from it's going to cost an absolute fortune and we've seen multiple examples of this not always working out for teams.
The key issue for me is the location, Clive has already pointed out a massive issue will be the depot in the middle of it so you are restricted straight away.
Alternatives are develop our own stadium or find a better site for a stadium. A move to old oak in my opinion is not the answer. [Post edited 17 Apr 12:38]
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I'm not being deliberately obtuse but I don't understand the impact of the the Elizabeth Line depot on the CarGiant site.
The Old Oak development is still going ahead, the depot is next to the station and will be screened off and won't directly impact the potential stadium site.
So assuming - and it would be a huge shock for it not to - the development goes ahead why is it an issue for a potential stadium? |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:06 - Apr 17 with 2934 views | QPR_Jim |
| Cargiant site on 12:13 - Apr 17 by Northernr |
Which is why that train depot is an issue. |
It's a fair point, currently you'd have to go through an industrial estate and along the canal, I assume once development behind the depot is finished you could cut through there to the station (once that's finished).
If it was to happen, I think it's fair to assume that it would be part of a wider development of the site with the car giant buildings being flattened and replaced with buildings of a similar density to those around Westfields behind White City Station. If they do that they would need to improve connectivity and there are a couple of options.
A new overground station in the middle of the site linking it to Willesden Junction and Shepherds Bush. Probably cost around £25m-£30m which is a fair amount but not in the context of the land alone being valued at £100m in its current condition.
You might be able to get a bridge over to Old Oak Common station but it would need to be at the east end of the site where the tracks narrow from the depot. Alternatively you could potentially tunnel into the station and provide an exit to the north of the canal as part of a new development, but that would cost a fair amount more. Think they did something similar linking St Pancras Sq to Kings Cross St Pancras underground. It would also allow us to continue to talk of digging down for a while longer.
The hardest part would probably be to connect via road as the only option seems to be Scrubs Lane and that's not a great road. I thought it interesting that Car Giants old proposal included some areas of land along scrubs lane, suggesting they owned that too along with everything north and south of the trainlines with the exception of the scrap metal recycling plant. PLP Architecture have now removed that from their website as well, which is interesting timing. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:44 - Apr 17 with 2813 views | SpongeParr |
| Cargiant site on 13:06 - Apr 17 by QPR_Jim |
It's a fair point, currently you'd have to go through an industrial estate and along the canal, I assume once development behind the depot is finished you could cut through there to the station (once that's finished).
If it was to happen, I think it's fair to assume that it would be part of a wider development of the site with the car giant buildings being flattened and replaced with buildings of a similar density to those around Westfields behind White City Station. If they do that they would need to improve connectivity and there are a couple of options.
A new overground station in the middle of the site linking it to Willesden Junction and Shepherds Bush. Probably cost around £25m-£30m which is a fair amount but not in the context of the land alone being valued at £100m in its current condition.
You might be able to get a bridge over to Old Oak Common station but it would need to be at the east end of the site where the tracks narrow from the depot. Alternatively you could potentially tunnel into the station and provide an exit to the north of the canal as part of a new development, but that would cost a fair amount more. Think they did something similar linking St Pancras Sq to Kings Cross St Pancras underground. It would also allow us to continue to talk of digging down for a while longer.
The hardest part would probably be to connect via road as the only option seems to be Scrubs Lane and that's not a great road. I thought it interesting that Car Giants old proposal included some areas of land along scrubs lane, suggesting they owned that too along with everything north and south of the trainlines with the exception of the scrap metal recycling plant. PLP Architecture have now removed that from their website as well, which is interesting timing. |
"It would also allow us to continue to talk of digging down for a while longer".
Brilliant line. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 14:07 - Apr 17 with 2725 views | hubble |
I love how seriously we're all taking this - but then again, why not? The CG site really does represent the best - and possibly last - opportunity for us to relocate within the borough. I just hope the board are reading this site (I'm sure they are), so they can gauge the feeling of the fans and get some great ideas along the way.
Regarding the OOC depot which seems to be contentious; don't forget that there will be an extensive road and pedestrian redevelopment of the area as part of the OOC station - paid for out of the public purse - so that will seriously improve accessibility to the CG site. If you haven't checked out the plans for OOC, it's worth a look: https://www.hs2.org.uk/buildin
Also it would be possible to join Hythe Road (which currently runs from Scrubs Lane through the CG site into the Powerday site), to Old Oak Lane, by bridging over the narrow railway section there, rather than having to go anywhere near the depot. There is also a footbridge (Salter Street Alleyway) that links the site to Willesden Junction, which could easily be upgraded, and even be converted into a road bridge, linking Station Approach to Hythe Road, which would also provide another or alternative road link to Old Oak Lane. There are other options too, and whoever develops this site will be radically transforming the road access.
People saying transport won't be good are, I think, basing that on the current situation; it will be dramatically different once OOC is finished, with, as I said before, the best transport links in the whole country.
The thing is, we have no idea if the board are considering this. If they're not, this whole thread is moot! If they are, then it looks like the majority on here are in favour of relocation to the CG site. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 14:10 - Apr 17 with 2715 views | daveB |
| Cargiant site on 12:59 - Apr 17 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Again - I haven't seen a single post suggesting that it will guarantee success... Or even that we need a new stadium to enable on-pitch success. For me the two aren't linked. I do believe though that if we did find an upward trend, move up the division or even get back into the PL we'd find it far more easy to adapt and sustain in a new stadium than at LR.
If your point is about Old Oak specifically; that's fair enough. It does worry me. It's easy to consider it a move to a soulless industrial estate like so many other clubs have done. And if it's a single tier bowl stadium it would absolutely break my heart. Any bowl stadium actually.
The problem is... Assuming the current footprint isn't workable... What other options are there? And why would they suddenly become available now when they haven't been for the last 20 years?
I rather see it as a sign of the English football times more than anything. Much else isn't viable, especially in London, especially in our borough. It's been great to resist it for so long but denying the inevitable now rather stinks to me like Kodak denying the rise of digital photography. So you have to be careful what you wish for on both sides. [Post edited 17 Apr 13:00]
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I've seen some suggesting it will bring successes and without it we can't be successful, I don't think the 2 are linked.
I'm not against a new stadium but just think Old Oak is not the place to do it | | | |
| Cargiant site on 14:22 - Apr 17 with 2636 views | hubble |
| Cargiant site on 14:10 - Apr 17 by daveB |
I've seen some suggesting it will bring successes and without it we can't be successful, I don't think the 2 are linked.
I'm not against a new stadium but just think Old Oak is not the place to do it |
Where do you suggest then Dave? | |
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| Cargiant site on 14:24 - Apr 17 with 2623 views | wombat |
| Cargiant site on 14:07 - Apr 17 by hubble |
I love how seriously we're all taking this - but then again, why not? The CG site really does represent the best - and possibly last - opportunity for us to relocate within the borough. I just hope the board are reading this site (I'm sure they are), so they can gauge the feeling of the fans and get some great ideas along the way.
Regarding the OOC depot which seems to be contentious; don't forget that there will be an extensive road and pedestrian redevelopment of the area as part of the OOC station - paid for out of the public purse - so that will seriously improve accessibility to the CG site. If you haven't checked out the plans for OOC, it's worth a look: https://www.hs2.org.uk/buildin
Also it would be possible to join Hythe Road (which currently runs from Scrubs Lane through the CG site into the Powerday site), to Old Oak Lane, by bridging over the narrow railway section there, rather than having to go anywhere near the depot. There is also a footbridge (Salter Street Alleyway) that links the site to Willesden Junction, which could easily be upgraded, and even be converted into a road bridge, linking Station Approach to Hythe Road, which would also provide another or alternative road link to Old Oak Lane. There are other options too, and whoever develops this site will be radically transforming the road access.
People saying transport won't be good are, I think, basing that on the current situation; it will be dramatically different once OOC is finished, with, as I said before, the best transport links in the whole country.
The thing is, we have no idea if the board are considering this. If they're not, this whole thread is moot! If they are, then it looks like the majority on here are in favour of relocation to the CG site. |
the easy improvemnts for access you added will prob raise the cost by another 50 or so million add in the waiting ti e for it to be approved esp anythig to do with railwyay lines takes way way longer than normal building works , TFL are skint as usual and trying to get people not to use roads , also add in zero parking anywhere near by.
ooc will be prob another ten years before its completed thats if they can find the cash to finish it obv. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 14:43 - Apr 17 with 2548 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 14:07 - Apr 17 by hubble |
I love how seriously we're all taking this - but then again, why not? The CG site really does represent the best - and possibly last - opportunity for us to relocate within the borough. I just hope the board are reading this site (I'm sure they are), so they can gauge the feeling of the fans and get some great ideas along the way.
Regarding the OOC depot which seems to be contentious; don't forget that there will be an extensive road and pedestrian redevelopment of the area as part of the OOC station - paid for out of the public purse - so that will seriously improve accessibility to the CG site. If you haven't checked out the plans for OOC, it's worth a look: https://www.hs2.org.uk/buildin
Also it would be possible to join Hythe Road (which currently runs from Scrubs Lane through the CG site into the Powerday site), to Old Oak Lane, by bridging over the narrow railway section there, rather than having to go anywhere near the depot. There is also a footbridge (Salter Street Alleyway) that links the site to Willesden Junction, which could easily be upgraded, and even be converted into a road bridge, linking Station Approach to Hythe Road, which would also provide another or alternative road link to Old Oak Lane. There are other options too, and whoever develops this site will be radically transforming the road access.
People saying transport won't be good are, I think, basing that on the current situation; it will be dramatically different once OOC is finished, with, as I said before, the best transport links in the whole country.
The thing is, we have no idea if the board are considering this. If they're not, this whole thread is moot! If they are, then it looks like the majority on here are in favour of relocation to the CG site. |
Good research and post.
I am a huge sceptic, obviously, not so much of either getting a new ground or not redeveloping what we have, which is far more possible than the club allow fans to know about: there is without question a long campaign of managed decline at LR, everywhere is impossible to maintain or update other than those areas used by the directors and guests...
But mainly allowing this particular board the chance to pull this trigger after more than a decade of clownshow business.
An absentee owner/majority share holder who hasn't communicated with fans in over two years and rarely comes to matches; an American business man who has *never* communicated with fans; Lee Hoos who retired from his role of CEO when the DOF fell on his sword, apparently to return home, only to suddenly become Chairman; Amit Bhatia, who has had a good go of it, left his role, but stayed on the board for some reason (we may be seeing the reason); and Nourry, the fall guy and man of very forked tongue who allows all these others to move so mysteriously behind him...
I don't think they deserve it. I do not trust them to do it well. They just haven't earned it yet, baby.
However, I believe it is definitely in discussion, is in motion, is central to Project Big Ben and the Car Giant announcement is just further negotiations, I am sure. I imagine the £100m can be halved at least.
You're right about the transport and access stuff. It is somewhat reassuring, even if like me you do not believe public finances over the next couple of years will allow anything like it. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 14:57 - Apr 17 with 2490 views | dsw2509 |
There are clearly many who are all over the detail of this. Can I add some general comments;
Yes, this would be our last chance to have something better than what we have now in the local area. I don’t think the Wormholt Park idea is a serious runner. In fact anything involving LBH&F looks like a complete nightmare.
Staying at HQ is not really an option. We all know its shortcomings. We would face a managed decline into irrelevance and our local derby would be against AFC Wimbledon.
We do need to preserve what is so great about HQ-the atmosphere that comes from the fully enclosed pitch and stands really close to the touch lines.
Did we kiss and make up with the Car Giant owners?
The transport at Car Giant will take care of itself over time.
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| Cargiant site on 15:20 - Apr 17 with 2424 views | Pikey |
Many of the posters are talking about match day capacity, which is obviously a factor.
But a main consideration will be making the stadium a 7 day week venue for 365 days a year , not an every 2 week venue.
It will be designed with conference suites, function venues and hopefully a food and drink offering around the ground like that at the amex stadium.
Lets open our eyes to the wider opportunies for earnjng money that will make the club more sustainable and help us with the psr rules.
The location with the proposed HS2 and Elizabeth line links will be very attractive for conferences and seminars etc. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 15:38 - Apr 17 with 2346 views | kensalriser |
| Cargiant site on 14:07 - Apr 17 by hubble |
I love how seriously we're all taking this - but then again, why not? The CG site really does represent the best - and possibly last - opportunity for us to relocate within the borough. I just hope the board are reading this site (I'm sure they are), so they can gauge the feeling of the fans and get some great ideas along the way.
Regarding the OOC depot which seems to be contentious; don't forget that there will be an extensive road and pedestrian redevelopment of the area as part of the OOC station - paid for out of the public purse - so that will seriously improve accessibility to the CG site. If you haven't checked out the plans for OOC, it's worth a look: https://www.hs2.org.uk/buildin
Also it would be possible to join Hythe Road (which currently runs from Scrubs Lane through the CG site into the Powerday site), to Old Oak Lane, by bridging over the narrow railway section there, rather than having to go anywhere near the depot. There is also a footbridge (Salter Street Alleyway) that links the site to Willesden Junction, which could easily be upgraded, and even be converted into a road bridge, linking Station Approach to Hythe Road, which would also provide another or alternative road link to Old Oak Lane. There are other options too, and whoever develops this site will be radically transforming the road access.
People saying transport won't be good are, I think, basing that on the current situation; it will be dramatically different once OOC is finished, with, as I said before, the best transport links in the whole country.
The thing is, we have no idea if the board are considering this. If they're not, this whole thread is moot! If they are, then it looks like the majority on here are in favour of relocation to the CG site. |
I'm sure you castigated me previously for opining that Park Royal would be an OK location for a new stadium!
Perhaps we just differ on what constitutes Park Royal. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 15:57 - Apr 17 with 2252 views | hubble |
| Cargiant site on 15:38 - Apr 17 by kensalriser |
I'm sure you castigated me previously for opining that Park Royal would be an OK location for a new stadium!
Perhaps we just differ on what constitutes Park Royal. |
Haha, I think I did! But we do seem to differ on what constitutes Park Royal if you think it includes OOC; as far as I am aware, the eastern boundary of PR is Park Royal Road/Acton Lane... a modest, but significant 1.5km away from the CG site!
Edit: and most significantly of all, Park Royal is not in the borough of Hammersmith & Fulham!
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| Cargiant site on 16:22 - Apr 17 with 2141 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 15:20 - Apr 17 by Pikey |
Many of the posters are talking about match day capacity, which is obviously a factor.
But a main consideration will be making the stadium a 7 day week venue for 365 days a year , not an every 2 week venue.
It will be designed with conference suites, function venues and hopefully a food and drink offering around the ground like that at the amex stadium.
Lets open our eyes to the wider opportunies for earnjng money that will make the club more sustainable and help us with the psr rules.
The location with the proposed HS2 and Elizabeth line links will be very attractive for conferences and seminars etc. |
Conference suites, function venues, seminars? Ohh yeah! Come on You Rs!
Worth noting:
Bolton Wanderers' Toughsheet (I am not making this up) Stadium, boasts "over 50 different conference rooms with the ability to host up to 3000 people in some suites," plus an onsite hotel and all that malarky...
Bolton Wanderers posted losses of £14million for last season in L1 only a couple weeks ago.
Meanwhile, Reading's Select Car Leasing Stadium - sexy club, sexy stadium - has a hotel built into it, overlooking the pitch. They also have "the largest conference facility in The Thames Valley". Cor!
Reading FC's total debt is £130m and they operate under a transfer embargo in L1. Despite those magnificent conference suites, revenue was down in the last accounts by 2% to just £9m (for comparison, QPR in their not-fit-for purpose conference-free stadium was £28m, a 9% increase). Reading's biggest income was a sell-on for Olise of £9m and he left three years ago.
Buy good players, develop, sell for more. Hire fewer budding analysts and rubbish £2m strikers from East Europe you've barely scouted. This will make more money than 10k conferences every year.
QPR fans should reject tired old Lee Hoos talking points when considering the future of the club. (If he'd had his way, no rail standing, no full Loft, no SB stand and plenty more misery). | | | |
| Cargiant site on 16:31 - Apr 17 with 2116 views | LongsufferingR |
Would it be cheaper if Reuben pretended to be a car dealer and bought CarGiant? |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 16:59 - Apr 17 with 2063 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 16:22 - Apr 17 by TK1 |
Conference suites, function venues, seminars? Ohh yeah! Come on You Rs!
Worth noting:
Bolton Wanderers' Toughsheet (I am not making this up) Stadium, boasts "over 50 different conference rooms with the ability to host up to 3000 people in some suites," plus an onsite hotel and all that malarky...
Bolton Wanderers posted losses of £14million for last season in L1 only a couple weeks ago.
Meanwhile, Reading's Select Car Leasing Stadium - sexy club, sexy stadium - has a hotel built into it, overlooking the pitch. They also have "the largest conference facility in The Thames Valley". Cor!
Reading FC's total debt is £130m and they operate under a transfer embargo in L1. Despite those magnificent conference suites, revenue was down in the last accounts by 2% to just £9m (for comparison, QPR in their not-fit-for purpose conference-free stadium was £28m, a 9% increase). Reading's biggest income was a sell-on for Olise of £9m and he left three years ago.
Buy good players, develop, sell for more. Hire fewer budding analysts and rubbish £2m strikers from East Europe you've barely scouted. This will make more money than 10k conferences every year.
QPR fans should reject tired old Lee Hoos talking points when considering the future of the club. (If he'd had his way, no rail standing, no full Loft, no SB stand and plenty more misery). |
West London is chock full of facilities for conferences, meetings and other events - some in sports stadiums, some in hotels, some in purpose-built venues. The idea that it's some kind of untapped goldmine for QPR is really quite bizarre. You'd attract some, of course, but not enough to make any real difference to our £2m a month losses, and certainly not to justify spending £500m+ building the stadium.
I'm just going to repeat some of the figures from earlier in this thread - Crystal Palace are spending £200m on one stand. Everton spent over £800m on their new stadium. Birmingham is being pitched at £1.2billion (and that will surely increase). Oh, and Brentford spent £75m on theirs - which was before the huge construction cost increases and is a venue derided by everyone on his forum. [Post edited 17 Apr 17:01]
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| Cargiant site on 17:35 - Apr 17 with 1962 views | BAWHoops |
| Cargiant site on 16:59 - Apr 17 by nadera78 |
West London is chock full of facilities for conferences, meetings and other events - some in sports stadiums, some in hotels, some in purpose-built venues. The idea that it's some kind of untapped goldmine for QPR is really quite bizarre. You'd attract some, of course, but not enough to make any real difference to our £2m a month losses, and certainly not to justify spending £500m+ building the stadium.
I'm just going to repeat some of the figures from earlier in this thread - Crystal Palace are spending £200m on one stand. Everton spent over £800m on their new stadium. Birmingham is being pitched at £1.2billion (and that will surely increase). Oh, and Brentford spent £75m on theirs - which was before the huge construction cost increases and is a venue derided by everyone on his forum. [Post edited 17 Apr 17:01]
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Yes a stadium is expensive, but you offset that substantially with selling Loftus Road to a developer. You also have facilities there which make money.
Importantly you are able to sell the club to a Hedge Fund with a shiny new stadium as well.
It's always been the play for the owners.
We will never get a better chance to buy a large site close to Loftus Road. |  |
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