| Cargiant site on 09:28 - Apr 16 with 2689 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 08:48 - Apr 16 by OldPedro |
So if we stay at LR, we all agree that the ground is not fit for purpose in terms of number of seats, leg room, toilets and cramped general areas etc.
We know it's unlikely we would be able to buy houses adjoining the ground to knock down and extend LR, so is the only option to redevelop LR into a smaller capacity stadium of maybe 10-12k which would allow more leg room and other areas of the stadium would be less cramped due to less people? |
So, I don't believe the "new 30k stadium at Old Oak or 10k at Loftus Rd" argument stands up.
We have the Calford Seaden report from 2019, that talks about room for a 23,000 capacity, and we've had various people on this site - including some connected to architects - that have said the club have been exploring options for Loftus Rd. Well, they wouldn't be doing that if it meant slashing the capacity to 10k. Not only would rebuilding Loftus Rd be cheaper than building an entirely new stadium but it would mean staying at our home. And in all honesty, 23K would be perfect for us. |  | |  |
| Cargiant site on 09:35 - Apr 16 with 2637 views | themodfather |
for me the argument about ancient lights/daylight to homes behind loft end was strong , but i was down the club fair day recently and as area was quiet i got a chance to have a look see and most of the homes in loftus road already have huge trees at the end of their gardens so light not their concern?
made me think could we add a 3rd tier of maybe 3000 , literally bolt on kind of thing ( i'm no structural engineer ) and maybe same along ellerslie? blackpool did it when if prem lge. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 10:13 - Apr 16 with 2536 views | francisbowles |
| Cargiant site on 09:08 - Apr 16 by daveB |
The cost of buying the land and building a new stadium would be at least 300 million probably more, For that money I think you could knock down SA Road stand, make it safe standing and maintain the capacity and still have enough left to do the School end.
Stan Bowles Stand and the Loft I don't think you can do much with other than make them safe standing but that would make a lot more sense to me than a new stadium in the middle of nowhere. |
Dave, I don't understand your post.
Why would you want to knock down SA Rd and then making it safe standing?
If you made the SB and LR safe standing too, where would us older geezers that like sitting, actually have a seat? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 10:37 - Apr 16 with 2447 views | hubble |
| Cargiant site on 08:48 - Apr 16 by OldPedro |
So if we stay at LR, we all agree that the ground is not fit for purpose in terms of number of seats, leg room, toilets and cramped general areas etc.
We know it's unlikely we would be able to buy houses adjoining the ground to knock down and extend LR, so is the only option to redevelop LR into a smaller capacity stadium of maybe 10-12k which would allow more leg room and other areas of the stadium would be less cramped due to less people? |
I agree, I really don't think redeveloping LR is a goer, whereas the CG idea definitely has legs. And legroom.
At the same time it seems to me the negativity towards the CG site is based on unwarranted prejudice and lack of vision. At the risk of repeating myself: the CG site has huge potential; here's a positive vision:
1. Despite what some have said, Old Oak Common station, linking the Elizabeth Line and HS2 is going to happen (others in this thread have pointed out that the final stage of tunnelling has already started), and almost certainly by the time the rest of the CG site is developed. If this includes a new stadium, it will have probably the best transport links in the country.
From the HS2 website:
"Passengers will get to: the West End in 10 minutes, Liverpool Street Station in 20 minutes and Heathrow, using either the Elizabeth line or the Heathrow Express, in 10 minutes. The station will have 14 platforms – six for high-speed services and eight for conventional services. Up to 250,000 passengers will use it every day. It will connect London, the Midlands, the North and Scotland."
https://www.hs2.org.uk/buildin
2. Several people have derided the area, and I addressed this earlier in the thread, but the key point is how this area is redeveloped. Done properly, it could be a thriving residential and commercial hub to rival anywhere in London, with a canal-side park, a footbridge to the Scrubs, which itself is ripe for transformation from the scruffy mess that it is now, with its barely used football pitches and maze of muddy paths. It already includes a nature reserve and H&F and the Scrubs Trust want to expand that. They'd be against any development on it, and it is a common, after all, but they couldn't deny public access, that's what it's charter is all about.
4. The biggest problem currently is road access: Scrubs Lane is a bottleneck, but it does link to the A40. However, given the increasing trend/political pressure away from driving towards public transport, this will almost certainly not be an issue by the time the redevelopment is completed, which I think will take at least 10/15 years. Private car use may not even be a thing in London by then.
If I was a developer, this would be my vision. A purpose-built stadium here doesn't have to be a "soulless bowl"; as other people have shown in this thread, some new stadiums are really cool.
I think a large part of the negativity toward this idea is resistance to change, and I get it. I've been watching football at LR since 1975. I love the old place. I agree about its quirky charm and the surrounding area. But at some point, it really is going to be so outdated that it will either require major surgery, or we will have to move. And if we are going to move, then I think the CG site is easily the best option.... |  |
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| Cargiant site on 11:01 - Apr 16 with 2408 views | NorthantsHoop |
I have not read all the threads , so may have missed, but if Loftus Road was ever re-developed what about getting planning permission and objections from the local residents about any expansion and building disruption that will take place. I suppose the benefits of the Car Giant site is it will not have the development restrictions attached to it. I remember when the stadium was re-developed in the late 70s/early 1980s and in those days local objections were not what they would be today as the housing market and ownership was a very different ball game to how people view property nearly 50 years later. I am caught in two minds, love the experience of Loftus Road but see the benefits of starting afresh in a new purpose made location, where the club can be at the heart of the design and a key player in the development of the location, whereas at LR the constraints may just be a bit too big and the project has too much compromise to progress. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:10 - Apr 16 with 2357 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cargiant site on 10:37 - Apr 16 by hubble |
I agree, I really don't think redeveloping LR is a goer, whereas the CG idea definitely has legs. And legroom.
At the same time it seems to me the negativity towards the CG site is based on unwarranted prejudice and lack of vision. At the risk of repeating myself: the CG site has huge potential; here's a positive vision:
1. Despite what some have said, Old Oak Common station, linking the Elizabeth Line and HS2 is going to happen (others in this thread have pointed out that the final stage of tunnelling has already started), and almost certainly by the time the rest of the CG site is developed. If this includes a new stadium, it will have probably the best transport links in the country.
From the HS2 website:
"Passengers will get to: the West End in 10 minutes, Liverpool Street Station in 20 minutes and Heathrow, using either the Elizabeth line or the Heathrow Express, in 10 minutes. The station will have 14 platforms – six for high-speed services and eight for conventional services. Up to 250,000 passengers will use it every day. It will connect London, the Midlands, the North and Scotland."
https://www.hs2.org.uk/buildin
2. Several people have derided the area, and I addressed this earlier in the thread, but the key point is how this area is redeveloped. Done properly, it could be a thriving residential and commercial hub to rival anywhere in London, with a canal-side park, a footbridge to the Scrubs, which itself is ripe for transformation from the scruffy mess that it is now, with its barely used football pitches and maze of muddy paths. It already includes a nature reserve and H&F and the Scrubs Trust want to expand that. They'd be against any development on it, and it is a common, after all, but they couldn't deny public access, that's what it's charter is all about.
4. The biggest problem currently is road access: Scrubs Lane is a bottleneck, but it does link to the A40. However, given the increasing trend/political pressure away from driving towards public transport, this will almost certainly not be an issue by the time the redevelopment is completed, which I think will take at least 10/15 years. Private car use may not even be a thing in London by then.
If I was a developer, this would be my vision. A purpose-built stadium here doesn't have to be a "soulless bowl"; as other people have shown in this thread, some new stadiums are really cool.
I think a large part of the negativity toward this idea is resistance to change, and I get it. I've been watching football at LR since 1975. I love the old place. I agree about its quirky charm and the surrounding area. But at some point, it really is going to be so outdated that it will either require major surgery, or we will have to move. And if we are going to move, then I think the CG site is easily the best option.... |
Good post Hubble.
To be honest I personally have absolutely no desire to move from LR. Depending on the circumstances and the new place, a move away may even just about signal the end of my attendance given that every single year that goes by I get more and more disillusioned with football as a whole.
But I think what we have to remember is this club has been knocking about for nearly 150 years. 5-7 generations of families have been supporting this club. What will football look like in another 10/20/30 years? LR is verging on unfit for purpose in the Championship now and it'll get less fit for purpose with every season that ticks by. Fans are quick to label club owners as mere custodians and though the fans will always be far more than that, I'd also say we have a duty in our generation to help the club thrive for future ones.
Any such protest based around a lack of pubs (for instance) is somewhat short sighted. You'd have to think / assume that in another 25 years if we're still at an even spruced up LR, we won't be regularly competing with the top 40 clubs in the country. I'm not sure it's fair to stand in the way of progress for our kids / grandkids and so on just because we love what we've had for the last 40 years.
I would be pretty adamant that season ticket holders are more than consulted on any new stadium plans. For me it's imperative that we retain some character as it's such a huge part of our club's DNA. I'd feel far more comfortable with embracing change if I felt I could trust those with their hands on the tiller. But I am ready to concede that this would definitely be the right thing to do.
I'd be pretty energised by some sort of fan group that were given the opportunity to help shape the new stadium and immediate community. If we can leave the club in a better state than what we inherited, we'll have done our bit for those future generations and for the long term health of the club. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:15 - Apr 16 with 2316 views | Esox_Lucius |
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| Cargiant site on 11:17 - Apr 16 with 2309 views | daveB |
| Cargiant site on 10:13 - Apr 16 by francisbowles |
Dave, I don't understand your post.
Why would you want to knock down SA Rd and then making it safe standing?
If you made the SB and LR safe standing too, where would us older geezers that like sitting, actually have a seat? |
Lower school end and Lower Loft should be fine for more leg room.
I think you can make more use of the space with the SA road stand, improve the corporate boxes as well. It won't happen but that feels to me the one stand we could do something with |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:18 - Apr 16 with 2304 views | daveB |
| Cargiant site on 11:15 - Apr 16 by Esox_Lucius |
Do you support the football club? or the stadium they play in? |
The two are very much linked and if a move was to benefit the football club we'd be for it but plenty of examples of clubs who have moved and it got a lot worse | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:23 - Apr 16 with 2279 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Cargiant site on 11:10 - Apr 16 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Good post Hubble.
To be honest I personally have absolutely no desire to move from LR. Depending on the circumstances and the new place, a move away may even just about signal the end of my attendance given that every single year that goes by I get more and more disillusioned with football as a whole.
But I think what we have to remember is this club has been knocking about for nearly 150 years. 5-7 generations of families have been supporting this club. What will football look like in another 10/20/30 years? LR is verging on unfit for purpose in the Championship now and it'll get less fit for purpose with every season that ticks by. Fans are quick to label club owners as mere custodians and though the fans will always be far more than that, I'd also say we have a duty in our generation to help the club thrive for future ones.
Any such protest based around a lack of pubs (for instance) is somewhat short sighted. You'd have to think / assume that in another 25 years if we're still at an even spruced up LR, we won't be regularly competing with the top 40 clubs in the country. I'm not sure it's fair to stand in the way of progress for our kids / grandkids and so on just because we love what we've had for the last 40 years.
I would be pretty adamant that season ticket holders are more than consulted on any new stadium plans. For me it's imperative that we retain some character as it's such a huge part of our club's DNA. I'd feel far more comfortable with embracing change if I felt I could trust those with their hands on the tiller. But I am ready to concede that this would definitely be the right thing to do.
I'd be pretty energised by some sort of fan group that were given the opportunity to help shape the new stadium and immediate community. If we can leave the club in a better state than what we inherited, we'll have done our bit for those future generations and for the long term health of the club. |
Excellent post, just as how I see it, chance to shape the future of the club. I just feel the constraints of the footprint of Loftus Road will lead us into a state of inertia, the football world and access to leisure has changed, and whether we like it or not QPR has to change as well. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:26 - Apr 16 with 2261 views | Ad99 |
Great thread... | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:32 - Apr 16 with 2227 views | Northernr |
| Cargiant site on 11:15 - Apr 16 by Esox_Lucius |
Do you support the football club? or the stadium they play in? |
An argument that sustains only as long as it takes to look at the top of the League Two table. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:37 - Apr 16 with 2196 views | francisbowles |
| Cargiant site on 11:17 - Apr 16 by daveB |
Lower school end and Lower Loft should be fine for more leg room.
I think you can make more use of the space with the SA road stand, improve the corporate boxes as well. It won't happen but that feels to me the one stand we could do something with |
I may be reading more into your original post than you meant but it sounds as though you would do away with all seating and replace it with safe standing.
However, I am led to believe that safe standing doesn't create more space and more importantly not everyone wants to stand. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:38 - Apr 16 with 2175 views | wombat |
| Cargiant site on 11:23 - Apr 16 by NorthantsHoop |
Excellent post, just as how I see it, chance to shape the future of the club. I just feel the constraints of the footprint of Loftus Road will lead us into a state of inertia, the football world and access to leisure has changed, and whether we like it or not QPR has to change as well. |
not if the change is not for the best for the club though , yes we have needed a stadium for way to many years jumping into the only piece of land that has become aval just because its there isnt the way forward, as many has said location wise its awful , accesss awful ,match day experiance likely to be awful .
its not got a lot going for it apart from its a piece of land 2 miles away from the club thats about it , it smacks of everything we hate about other clubs who have done the same derby being a good example . |  |
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| Cargiant site on 11:39 - Apr 16 with 2181 views | 7374Ranger |
| Cargiant site on 09:28 - Apr 16 by nadera78 |
So, I don't believe the "new 30k stadium at Old Oak or 10k at Loftus Rd" argument stands up.
We have the Calford Seaden report from 2019, that talks about room for a 23,000 capacity, and we've had various people on this site - including some connected to architects - that have said the club have been exploring options for Loftus Rd. Well, they wouldn't be doing that if it meant slashing the capacity to 10k. Not only would rebuilding Loftus Rd be cheaper than building an entirely new stadium but it would mean staying at our home. And in all honesty, 23K would be perfect for us. |
OK, but if the report says a 23,000 capacity stadium revamping is possible, why is the club sitting on it instead of going ahead with it?
Most of us would prefer to stay at Loftus Rd, but we want better facilities, leg room and no restricted obstructive views to the pitch. If the club could generate more income from a revamped stadium then it wouldn't be losing £20m each year.
Yet no action is being taken on the CS report. There must be a reason why. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:41 - Apr 16 with 2163 views | 7374Ranger |
| Cargiant site on 10:13 - Apr 16 by francisbowles |
Dave, I don't understand your post.
Why would you want to knock down SA Rd and then making it safe standing?
If you made the SB and LR safe standing too, where would us older geezers that like sitting, actually have a seat? |
We would be forced to stand and that is not likely to go down well. Some of us would probably stay away. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:42 - Apr 16 with 2162 views | nadera78 |
| Cargiant site on 11:10 - Apr 16 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Good post Hubble.
To be honest I personally have absolutely no desire to move from LR. Depending on the circumstances and the new place, a move away may even just about signal the end of my attendance given that every single year that goes by I get more and more disillusioned with football as a whole.
But I think what we have to remember is this club has been knocking about for nearly 150 years. 5-7 generations of families have been supporting this club. What will football look like in another 10/20/30 years? LR is verging on unfit for purpose in the Championship now and it'll get less fit for purpose with every season that ticks by. Fans are quick to label club owners as mere custodians and though the fans will always be far more than that, I'd also say we have a duty in our generation to help the club thrive for future ones.
Any such protest based around a lack of pubs (for instance) is somewhat short sighted. You'd have to think / assume that in another 25 years if we're still at an even spruced up LR, we won't be regularly competing with the top 40 clubs in the country. I'm not sure it's fair to stand in the way of progress for our kids / grandkids and so on just because we love what we've had for the last 40 years.
I would be pretty adamant that season ticket holders are more than consulted on any new stadium plans. For me it's imperative that we retain some character as it's such a huge part of our club's DNA. I'd feel far more comfortable with embracing change if I felt I could trust those with their hands on the tiller. But I am ready to concede that this would definitely be the right thing to do.
I'd be pretty energised by some sort of fan group that were given the opportunity to help shape the new stadium and immediate community. If we can leave the club in a better state than what we inherited, we'll have done our bit for those future generations and for the long term health of the club. |
The club doesn't update us on player injuries, what makes you think they'd genuinely give a toss what we think about the design of a new stadium? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:42 - Apr 16 with 2153 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Cargiant site on 11:15 - Apr 16 by Esox_Lucius |
Do you support the football club? or the stadium they play in? |
Yep it's all about seeing the wood from the trees. I support QPR the football team, Loftus Road stadium is the vehicle they use to play football. I agree it is totally important that based on our history and formation etc, that we maintain a stadium link to the area where the club developed and the West London area. Now if that means a move for progress purposes to the Car Giant Old Oak Common site than that is fine, but I suppose ripping up our roots sort of MK Dons style and moving out of the area is not what anybody would want. I feel the club needs a spark to re-ignite itself both on and off the pitch an announcement like a move to the CG site would be enormous. Look at the new training ground went around in circles for years then the Heston site was available and we now have a state of the art facility in quite a short space of time. QPR owners be bold and take us with you? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:46 - Apr 16 with 2126 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cargiant site on 11:42 - Apr 16 by nadera78 |
The club doesn't update us on player injuries, what makes you think they'd genuinely give a toss what we think about the design of a new stadium? |
Where did I say I did? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:48 - Apr 16 with 2111 views | kensalriser |
| Cargiant site on 22:40 - Apr 15 by wombat |
Nobody is going to want to pay top dollar to live in Willesdon .
The plan is correct though but on the wrong piece of land , if they had done the same plan t dairy could have off set a large chunk of the purchase price and build cost by building hotels around the ground as arsenal have done , and the lad cost at car giant is the same price s the land at dairy crest went for . And it’s desirable land not a poxt piece of asbestos filled warehouse site |
You must not know Brondesbury Park if you think people don’t want to pay top dollar to live in Willesden.
That’s irrelevant though as Old Oak, Willesden Junction and the area around Car Giant aren’t in Willesden. You’re also ignoring 50 plus years of evidence of what happens when formerly neglected parts of London get regenerated/gentrified, which anyone of a certain age who’s familiar with Ladbroke Grove/North Kensington then and now knows only too well.
There are already new apartment blocks on Scrubs Lane right by Car Giant and newsflash, they are not cheap. This area will look like the new city around Wembley Stadium in 10 years. Not the sort of neighbourhood I’d like to live in but I doubt the developers will be losing any sleep over that.
https://northkensingtongate.co
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| Cargiant site on 11:57 - Apr 16 with 2056 views | TK1 |
| Cargiant site on 11:39 - Apr 16 by 7374Ranger |
OK, but if the report says a 23,000 capacity stadium revamping is possible, why is the club sitting on it instead of going ahead with it?
Most of us would prefer to stay at Loftus Rd, but we want better facilities, leg room and no restricted obstructive views to the pitch. If the club could generate more income from a revamped stadium then it wouldn't be losing £20m each year.
Yet no action is being taken on the CS report. There must be a reason why. |
Because they don't want to. What they have always wanted is to move the club to Car Giant and redevelop Loftus Road, which will suddenly have a bigger footprint than you imagine. The 23k revamp was worse case for them.
It's always been about OOC. They press released it and put it on the club website a decade ago!
My two big objections to knocking down Loftus Road and moving from W12 to a new build in NW10 at Scrubs Lane/Car Giant are these:
1/ QPR's identity is, I believe, intrinsically bound up in Loftus Road. More so than all the great players who've come and gone, Marsh, Bowles, Ferdinand, Francis, they're gone; it's more than the memories of matches, great old kits, players yet to bloom...Loftus Road is constant. It's 'Then Now Always' more than anything else.
So, if we can agree that there is some merit in that...
2/ If we knock it down, sell the land off (which will suddenly be revealed no doubt to have a bigger footprint than we imagine) and move elsewhere, why do Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos and Christian Nourry get to pull that once in a century trigger?
What have Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos succeeded at in a decade+ at QPR that gives them that privilege?
What proof have they provided that they will get it right? They have big credit for the training ground but in most other respects we are worse off than when the owners took over. How have they earned our trust, particularly recently, when truth has been employed sparingly? Benham at Brentford had a decade of growth and incremental success before he moved the ground - he earned the trust at each step and he got it right.
Let's have five years of sporting and commercial success and let's make the being a development club that they trumpet really work. Bribe us with some sporting success before selling off the crown jewel.
Because they will all be off as soon as we move in, that's for sure. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 11:57 - Apr 16 with 2037 views | dannyblue |
We have been overtaken by so many other clubs over the last two decades that were comparable or smaller. Palace, Fulham, Brentford, West Ham, Brighton, Southampton, Bournemouth, and that's just in the south. We are also competing for new fans with several of those clubs, plus Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs.
If we stay at Loftus Road, the reality is - barring a miraculous change of luck followed by a miraculous change of competence in exploiting that luck (more importantly) - that we will revert to mean of our income, stadium size, and history. That is mid-table in the third tier. Many of the children of current QPR fans will support, say, Arsenal, but say they have QPR as their second team in an affectionate patronising way - just like kids in Ipswich until very recently grew up saying they supported Arsenal or Liverpool. Now that third tier future is ok, and I'll still go. But I would like to aim a little higher.
Done right, a new stadium, just up the road, as part of a very well connected new development is an excellent plan. Those connections mean that we could become everyone's favourite away game too, swelling matchday income even more and making us more competitive (even if opposing fans would be annoying).
And if your match day tradition involves enjoying Bush before or after the game, it's only 15-20 minutes walk away.
Again though, the big question is doing it right. Can we make a model 30-35k stadium with great sightlines, but more importantly with the proximity and close atmosphere that makes the experience at Loftus Road so much better than at white hart lane, drayton park, or stratford. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:01 - Apr 16 with 1999 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Cargiant site on 11:57 - Apr 16 by TK1 |
Because they don't want to. What they have always wanted is to move the club to Car Giant and redevelop Loftus Road, which will suddenly have a bigger footprint than you imagine. The 23k revamp was worse case for them.
It's always been about OOC. They press released it and put it on the club website a decade ago!
My two big objections to knocking down Loftus Road and moving from W12 to a new build in NW10 at Scrubs Lane/Car Giant are these:
1/ QPR's identity is, I believe, intrinsically bound up in Loftus Road. More so than all the great players who've come and gone, Marsh, Bowles, Ferdinand, Francis, they're gone; it's more than the memories of matches, great old kits, players yet to bloom...Loftus Road is constant. It's 'Then Now Always' more than anything else.
So, if we can agree that there is some merit in that...
2/ If we knock it down, sell the land off (which will suddenly be revealed no doubt to have a bigger footprint than we imagine) and move elsewhere, why do Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos and Christian Nourry get to pull that once in a century trigger?
What have Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos succeeded at in a decade+ at QPR that gives them that privilege?
What proof have they provided that they will get it right? They have big credit for the training ground but in most other respects we are worse off than when the owners took over. How have they earned our trust, particularly recently, when truth has been employed sparingly? Benham at Brentford had a decade of growth and incremental success before he moved the ground - he earned the trust at each step and he got it right.
Let's have five years of sporting and commercial success and let's make the being a development club that they trumpet really work. Bribe us with some sporting success before selling off the crown jewel.
Because they will all be off as soon as we move in, that's for sure. |
Sobering stuff, TK, and lucidly argued. I am with you on the owners and proving some success first is an excellent idea, I just think we don't have any time to waste, sadly. The Cargiant land opportunity won't hang around forever and adding yet another 5 years of doing nothing at all just doesn't seem viable to me. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:12 - Apr 16 with 1931 views | kensalriser |
| Cargiant site on 11:57 - Apr 16 by TK1 |
Because they don't want to. What they have always wanted is to move the club to Car Giant and redevelop Loftus Road, which will suddenly have a bigger footprint than you imagine. The 23k revamp was worse case for them.
It's always been about OOC. They press released it and put it on the club website a decade ago!
My two big objections to knocking down Loftus Road and moving from W12 to a new build in NW10 at Scrubs Lane/Car Giant are these:
1/ QPR's identity is, I believe, intrinsically bound up in Loftus Road. More so than all the great players who've come and gone, Marsh, Bowles, Ferdinand, Francis, they're gone; it's more than the memories of matches, great old kits, players yet to bloom...Loftus Road is constant. It's 'Then Now Always' more than anything else.
So, if we can agree that there is some merit in that...
2/ If we knock it down, sell the land off (which will suddenly be revealed no doubt to have a bigger footprint than we imagine) and move elsewhere, why do Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos and Christian Nourry get to pull that once in a century trigger?
What have Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos succeeded at in a decade+ at QPR that gives them that privilege?
What proof have they provided that they will get it right? They have big credit for the training ground but in most other respects we are worse off than when the owners took over. How have they earned our trust, particularly recently, when truth has been employed sparingly? Benham at Brentford had a decade of growth and incremental success before he moved the ground - he earned the trust at each step and he got it right.
Let's have five years of sporting and commercial success and let's make the being a development club that they trumpet really work. Bribe us with some sporting success before selling off the crown jewel.
Because they will all be off as soon as we move in, that's for sure. |
That’s all fine but this opportunity will be gone in five years. It will probably be gone in one.
Car Giant is a mile away from Loftus Rd and this is probably the last chance to move to somewhere so close unless you think we can swap LR for Wormholt Park. The club has already sat there picking its nose while every potential site on our doorstep has been redeveloped, if we continue to do that our only remaining competitor in London will be Leyton Orient. | |
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