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| Rochdale must act on Ian Watson either way on 11:31 - Nov 2 with 1217 views | beat_the_bishop |
A good read and a very fair assessment.
I got to the end and concluded I don’t believe they have the courage to make the move and replace him.
They will argue September is what we are capable of (points over performance of course). The fans argue August and October is what we actually are (points reflect that view).
I could understand if we have had to backfill injury’s with youth players. But we have done the opposite. He’s been backed beyond any manager I can ever recall in my time? In preseason I was of the opinion that 5 marquee signings was enough to move us forwards. 17 signings later and I am yet to see any of them really excel (those that have played).
The gaps between the lines and the amount of shots the opposition are allowed to take from the edge of our box is frightening. It’s disjointed from front to back. And that’s not personnel. It’s the set up first and foremost. His selections are contributing factors.
One thing I would like to point out is South Shields are top of NLN as we discuss this. So was he actually good at his job? Or is that team just good for that level? Mike Williamson has hardly pulled up trees anywhere he’s been since the Gateshead years. And yet he’s now got them top of the league after Watsons departure? Ironically, probably very little change in personnel and system. Familiarity for the squad that remained while the management transition happened. One would say maybe we needed the same?
I’ve zoned out of Ian Watson now. Struggle to listen to his interviews because it’s clouded by the same deflection and tone. He’s punching way above his level, learning on the job and no doubt a top coach and evidently a nice man. But it’s not what we needed at this stage of our journey.
Who would take us on now? The three names mentioned will probably be thinking if I sit this out another month… a better opportunity will arise. We have a huge squad, half of it on the treatment table, a third of it nowhere near the standard expected. I see no option other than radical changes in January too with atleast 5 departures.
Sherring, Wilson, Adeeko, Waller, Ramming, Rodney, Francis, TAR, Kane Taylor and Silcott-D could all leave tomorrow for me. There is better players at this level than those, and I’m being generous to some of the others. But we are weaker than this time last year and that is absolutely criminal given the money he’s had. [Post edited 2 Nov 11:35]
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| Rochdale must act on Ian Watson either way on 11:48 - Nov 2 with 1150 views | tony_roch975 |
Absolutely. I guess most fans would agree with the analysis of the problems but not necessarily the praise of the McNulty-type solution (which I share) - "Not only did his sides aim to control games by controlling those distances, but he also understood that before you can build a successful team, you have to build a collective".
Many of those whose recent loss of faith you cite are the same fans who couldn't wait to replace 'boring' McNulty with exciting Klopp-style Ian Watson. Watson came in and dismantled the formation and personnel which was the very basis of that success.
Grass greener, what you wish for etc! [Post edited 2 Nov 11:52]
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| Rochdale must act on Ian Watson either way on 11:56 - Nov 2 with 1094 views | D_Alien |
| Rochdale must act on Ian Watson either way on 11:31 - Nov 2 by beat_the_bishop |
A good read and a very fair assessment.
I got to the end and concluded I don’t believe they have the courage to make the move and replace him.
They will argue September is what we are capable of (points over performance of course). The fans argue August and October is what we actually are (points reflect that view).
I could understand if we have had to backfill injury’s with youth players. But we have done the opposite. He’s been backed beyond any manager I can ever recall in my time? In preseason I was of the opinion that 5 marquee signings was enough to move us forwards. 17 signings later and I am yet to see any of them really excel (those that have played).
The gaps between the lines and the amount of shots the opposition are allowed to take from the edge of our box is frightening. It’s disjointed from front to back. And that’s not personnel. It’s the set up first and foremost. His selections are contributing factors.
One thing I would like to point out is South Shields are top of NLN as we discuss this. So was he actually good at his job? Or is that team just good for that level? Mike Williamson has hardly pulled up trees anywhere he’s been since the Gateshead years. And yet he’s now got them top of the league after Watsons departure? Ironically, probably very little change in personnel and system. Familiarity for the squad that remained while the management transition happened. One would say maybe we needed the same?
I’ve zoned out of Ian Watson now. Struggle to listen to his interviews because it’s clouded by the same deflection and tone. He’s punching way above his level, learning on the job and no doubt a top coach and evidently a nice man. But it’s not what we needed at this stage of our journey.
Who would take us on now? The three names mentioned will probably be thinking if I sit this out another month… a better opportunity will arise. We have a huge squad, half of it on the treatment table, a third of it nowhere near the standard expected. I see no option other than radical changes in January too with atleast 5 departures.
Sherring, Wilson, Adeeko, Waller, Ramming, Rodney, Francis, TAR, Kane Taylor and Silcott-D could all leave tomorrow for me. There is better players at this level than those, and I’m being generous to some of the others. But we are weaker than this time last year and that is absolutely criminal given the money he’s had. [Post edited 2 Nov 11:35]
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In wondering whether the board have the courage to make a decision, what you mean is... make the change
Fitz (fine analysis) makes the point that the board need to actively support Watson if they're not going to change
To both points, i'll add a potential weakness built into the helm of the club, and i've referred to it before: the joint-Chairmanship. You can see why the Ogdens, with next to no experience of the football world wanted to keep Gauge in a position where his shares and travails prior to their arrival counted for something. In effect, what it does is create a distance, yes: the kind of distance we see between players on the pitch, mirrored in the boardroom. The intentions are great, the actuality, not so
This isn't about those individuals either, since i have huge respect and admiration for the work Cameron Ogden, on behalf of his family, is doing both within the club and in the wider community. I've respect for Simon Gauge too; without his input, we almost certainly wouldn't be here now. He was subject to dog's (literally) abuse, whilst putting a considerable amount of his family's wealth into keeping us afloat until it became unsustainable
It was great to see them both share the plaudits at Wembley, in among the manager, players and with the fans. But Gauge, even though he says he's learnt a lot, remains relatively inexperienced; add that to the decision-making process and it's a recipe for having no solid process with split accountability, however much a show of togetherness might be put forward
Where does this leave us right now? I too suspect the board will stick rather than twist, and it's a good point about those names who're available maybe biding their time. Even if they've been approached, they'd be looking at an unbalanced, unfit squad with a crucial window looming. If the board do make the change, now would appear to be the most opportune time as Fitz argues. But... whose decision will it be? A single chairman making that decision would be far and away the better option. It's the Ogden's money at stake, but Gauge's decision, and is he setting the process? Not the best recipe for clarity. I think, in the aftermath of all this, another decision has to be made, by the Ogdens, about the chairmanship
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| Rochdale must act on Ian Watson either way on 16:52 - Nov 2 with 427 views | YouTubeDale |
I agree with Fitz that now is the time to act decisively and save the club from relegation. The weaknesses are plain to see and I feel that a new experienced manager will install a new belief and more confidence in the players. Yes it will cost the Ogdens money but put against a relegation it will be money well spent. Watson has shown us what he can't do. Time to move on, and the time is now.
Thanks Chris for crystallising the thoughts of many. [Post edited 2 Nov 16:54]
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