| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. 16:36 - Jan 17 with 10349 views | lifelong |
While having lunch with Mrs Lifelong in the Thai place in the Market this lunchtime a group of about 15,four to five year old,children, with their supervisors, gathered around the fish stall opposite the Thai premises.
They were all speaking in Welsh, isn't it great to see that the future of our national language is in good hands.
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 20:50 - Jan 17 with 2607 views | pikeypaul |
The ex fireman that runs the place is a nice guy and has got a gold mine always packed out when I pass.
Ingredients very cheap and a big profit margin .I think it was £4.50 for Tom Gha gai and rice.
I could make the equivalent of 10 servings for about £5.
Good luck to him,he deserves it. [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 20:51]
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 22:42 - Jan 17 with 2456 views | inspector |
can i just say - and i always do when its mentioned on this board - the thai place is bloody fantastic! |  | | |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:24 - Jan 17 with 2392 views | Glyn1 |
Last month I went back to Swansea market after a few years away, while waiting for a home game. It was smaller than I remembered as a 10 yr old.
Where's the best pre-match meal before a match, not here? [Post edited 17 Jan 2017 23:32]
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:29 - Jan 17 with 2371 views | majorraglan |
Wasn't aware there was a Thai place in Swansea market, will have to check it out the next time I am in Town. As for the Welsh language, that's a big ðŸ‘🻠from me. I speak it and my kids are fluent, makes a big difference in some parts of Wales. |  | | |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:37 - Jan 17 with 2360 views | Humpty |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:29 - Jan 17 by majorraglan |
Wasn't aware there was a Thai place in Swansea market, will have to check it out the next time I am in Town. As for the Welsh language, that's a big ðŸ‘🻠from me. I speak it and my kids are fluent, makes a big difference in some parts of Wales. |
I'm not a Welsh speaker but I'm all for it. I really can't get my head around the hatred it inspires in some English speaking Welsh people. F*cking bizarre.
Saying that, it is lethally dangerous when driving. I drove into a lake last week because I was confused by some Welsh words on a sign.
Swings and roundabouts I suppose. |  | | |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:44 - Jan 17 with 2344 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:37 - Jan 17 by Humpty |
I'm not a Welsh speaker but I'm all for it. I really can't get my head around the hatred it inspires in some English speaking Welsh people. F*cking bizarre.
Saying that, it is lethally dangerous when driving. I drove into a lake last week because I was confused by some Welsh words on a sign.
Swings and roundabouts I suppose. |
Yes i think i have driven into the same welsh lake.
I also drive into lakes all over Europe cos the bloody signs are in languages like French and German, especially in France and Germany. Its a right bugger. |  |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:59 - Jan 17 with 2320 views | LeonWasGod |
Perchie, you're missing the point by a mile. A nation's language is part of its identity. It doesn't matter what they use it for, as it defines them. There's no greater value than that - it's an integral part of the nationality. That's been sadly lost in Wales over time, but luckily a significant number keep it going. And I hope it grows. It's part of who you are (assuming you're Welsh). It's part of what makes you different and should give you pride. And that's before we get into the evidence that shows how billingualism (is that a word?) gives our kids a head start in life.
And this is from the viewpoint of a culturally-poor, ignorant Englishmen. (I still can't speak much of it sadly despite living here for a couple of decades. But the value is obvious). |  | | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 07:41 - Jan 18 with 2226 views | Highjack |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:44 - Jan 17 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes i think i have driven into the same welsh lake.
I also drive into lakes all over Europe cos the bloody signs are in languages like French and German, especially in France and Germany. Its a right bugger. |
The planning people need to be more responsible about where they put their lakes. |  |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 08:33 - Jan 18 with 2194 views | Lord_Bony |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 23:59 - Jan 17 by LeonWasGod |
Perchie, you're missing the point by a mile. A nation's language is part of its identity. It doesn't matter what they use it for, as it defines them. There's no greater value than that - it's an integral part of the nationality. That's been sadly lost in Wales over time, but luckily a significant number keep it going. And I hope it grows. It's part of who you are (assuming you're Welsh). It's part of what makes you different and should give you pride. And that's before we get into the evidence that shows how billingualism (is that a word?) gives our kids a head start in life.
And this is from the viewpoint of a culturally-poor, ignorant Englishmen. (I still can't speak much of it sadly despite living here for a couple of decades. But the value is obvious). |
Exactly.
The Welsh language is a huge part of the cultural identity of the people of Wales...it's actually one of the oldest languages in Europe and should be kept alive.
Otherwise it's like saying to the English let's knock down Westminster Abbey in London and build a large multi storey there....that would be far more useful for the people of the UK.
Ain't going to happen obviously. |  |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 09:06 - Jan 18 with 2163 views | perchrockjack |
With all due respect ,every single one of you has missed the point. You cant be that obtuse.
Its down to the fact that is Welsh is and always has been divisive.
If you want to ignore that fat for sentimental reasons then fine but please no more .
Vast swathes of our land had contempt for it ,now its ameliorated into simple distain or apathy,
My father s lot were all welsh speakers and nasty vicious narrow minded fekers to boot.
They spoke Welsh .Its what they spoke about that counted.
You clearly miss the point | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 09:52 - Jan 18 with 2134 views | dickythorpe |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 09:06 - Jan 18 by perchrockjack |
With all due respect ,every single one of you has missed the point. You cant be that obtuse.
Its down to the fact that is Welsh is and always has been divisive.
If you want to ignore that fat for sentimental reasons then fine but please no more .
Vast swathes of our land had contempt for it ,now its ameliorated into simple distain or apathy,
My father s lot were all welsh speakers and nasty vicious narrow minded fekers to boot.
They spoke Welsh .Its what they spoke about that counted.
You clearly miss the point |
Perch, if your family all hail from Ferryside then it explains why you are seemingly fearful of hearing spoken Welsh.
They could pick a fight in a phone box and anyone different appearing in their village would defo get their native tongues wagging.
Surround yourself with PLEASANT welsh speakerS!!! |  | | |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 10:08 - Jan 18 with 2113 views | Loyal |
Are there extra curricular opportunities within the Thai area of the market ? |  |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 10:09 - Jan 18 with 2114 views | Jack_y_Jwc |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 09:06 - Jan 18 by perchrockjack |
With all due respect ,every single one of you has missed the point. You cant be that obtuse.
Its down to the fact that is Welsh is and always has been divisive.
If you want to ignore that fat for sentimental reasons then fine but please no more .
Vast swathes of our land had contempt for it ,now its ameliorated into simple distain or apathy,
My father s lot were all welsh speakers and nasty vicious narrow minded fekers to boot.
They spoke Welsh .Its what they spoke about that counted.
You clearly miss the point |
So your disdain for the Welsh language is based on your family gossiping about you in Welsh?? if only you'd said that from the start we could have just ignored you instead of reading your drivel | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 10:12 - Jan 18 with 2110 views | Loyal |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 10:09 - Jan 18 by Jack_y_Jwc |
So your disdain for the Welsh language is based on your family gossiping about you in Welsh?? if only you'd said that from the start we could have just ignored you instead of reading your drivel |
A friend of mine said once that he went in to several shops whilst on holiday in north Wales and when he did people started speaking Welsh. At no time did he consider the fact that Welsh was all they spoke and his presence was merely witness to this.
I've had him down as a fcking idiot friend since then. | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 10:20 - Jan 18 with 1484 views | Highjack |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 10:08 - Jan 18 by Loyal |
Are there extra curricular opportunities within the Thai area of the market ? |
A school trip to Swansea market is cheap and the risk assessments would be quite straight forward. There's little chance of a child getting decapitated by a low flying whelk from the fish stall etc, so the school were probably all for it. | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 13:18 - Jan 18 with 1425 views | perchrockjack |
jack y jac. Wrong
Please read and try to take a subjective view.
My mum,a sandfields girl, used to collect her mum from Fleet ST and walk up to the market for lavabread and cockles before home games and we d have them with bacon. I hated it
It was not the fault of the welsh speaking Penclawdd women flogging them but my mum didn't like the language as she thought it sounded awful.
Her shout. She didn't like Spanish, Italian or French either but she was a good woman and I loved her. She spoke no Welsh and was as proud to be a sandfields girl and a Swansea woman.
Those days, most of our support was from Swansea people alone ,who also didn't speak Welsh.
Ive heard announcements in Welsh ,at the Vetch , made in Welsh ,be groaned at.
Note, we re discussing a language here not individuals so why do you ALL immediately turn defensive and act like pre pubescent kids .
Its not important.
Jobs, Health, Hope are and they are not language based.
Get it?
Didn't think you would | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 13:37 - Jan 18 with 1411 views | owainglyndwr |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 13:18 - Jan 18 by perchrockjack |
jack y jac. Wrong
Please read and try to take a subjective view.
My mum,a sandfields girl, used to collect her mum from Fleet ST and walk up to the market for lavabread and cockles before home games and we d have them with bacon. I hated it
It was not the fault of the welsh speaking Penclawdd women flogging them but my mum didn't like the language as she thought it sounded awful.
Her shout. She didn't like Spanish, Italian or French either but she was a good woman and I loved her. She spoke no Welsh and was as proud to be a sandfields girl and a Swansea woman.
Those days, most of our support was from Swansea people alone ,who also didn't speak Welsh.
Ive heard announcements in Welsh ,at the Vetch , made in Welsh ,be groaned at.
Note, we re discussing a language here not individuals so why do you ALL immediately turn defensive and act like pre pubescent kids .
Its not important.
Jobs, Health, Hope are and they are not language based.
Get it?
Didn't think you would |
Perch
If you look back through the history of the Swansite
years ago the fans used to sing Welsh songs.
People from outside of Swansea has always supported the Swans, these Welsh speaking areas.
Has for Swansea market it's a great place. |  | | |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 13:58 - Jan 18 with 1398 views | Jack_Kass |
The Welsh language is dying, naturally, and has been on life support for far too many years. It really is time to flip the switch
Youngsters have been held back for years by not learning a relevant and marketable language at primary age, such as Spanish/German/French. Good schools in those countries are learning English (not Welsh) from an early age, and then coming here to compete in the jobs market, which we then get upset about. "How dare these people come over here, learn the language that they need to get by, and take our jobs!"
Ask yourself how many Welsh people are going over to work in mainland Europe etc. The answer is very little, because they are taught from a young age that they have to be 'proud' of Wales, and this means to learn a dead language with no future value what so ever, other than to be patriotic and 'proud' of your country.
Look at a typical scenario in a 'mixed' speaking secondary school (from experience)
Those who know the language, and who are typically taught at home, are put in class together, and sit there wondering why are they being taught something they already know, they are then fobbed off by the equivalent of any english language/literature lesson they already have, but in Welsh! What the hell is the point?
Those who don't know it, sit together in class, wondering why they're being forced to learn something they know will have no value to them in the future, thus losing interest and just mucking
about for an hour, creating an impossible learning environment for anyone in the class who might have a flicker of interest.
So what % are actually learning this language in our schools? Under 1%, so much so that you could call it 0%. How can anyone justify something in our education system that so few are actually learning?
Nobody who wants to visit Wales needs to learn it, nobody born here needs to learn it. Stop teaching it, stop wasting paint on signs. Those who want to pat themselves on the back and be 'proud' and have an ' identity' will continue to speak it and teach their children, and live in their happy bubble. It will then eventually die gracefully rather than exist as an obscene waste of valuable resources that this country has. | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 14:13 - Jan 18 with 1379 views | Jack_y_Jwc |
Perch, I get it - you don't speak or understand Welsh, therefore you are against, which is plain ignorant.
My job is dependant on the Welsh language, I work in Welsh media. I realise I'm in the minority. I was raised in Welsh, I went to Welsh schools, my closest friends all speak Welsh, I've married a Welsh speaking girl. It's easy to immerse yourself in the language with a little effort. | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 14:18 - Jan 18 with 1371 views | Jack_y_Jwc |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 13:58 - Jan 18 by Jack_Kass |
The Welsh language is dying, naturally, and has been on life support for far too many years. It really is time to flip the switch
Youngsters have been held back for years by not learning a relevant and marketable language at primary age, such as Spanish/German/French. Good schools in those countries are learning English (not Welsh) from an early age, and then coming here to compete in the jobs market, which we then get upset about. "How dare these people come over here, learn the language that they need to get by, and take our jobs!"
Ask yourself how many Welsh people are going over to work in mainland Europe etc. The answer is very little, because they are taught from a young age that they have to be 'proud' of Wales, and this means to learn a dead language with no future value what so ever, other than to be patriotic and 'proud' of your country.
Look at a typical scenario in a 'mixed' speaking secondary school (from experience)
Those who know the language, and who are typically taught at home, are put in class together, and sit there wondering why are they being taught something they already know, they are then fobbed off by the equivalent of any english language/literature lesson they already have, but in Welsh! What the hell is the point?
Those who don't know it, sit together in class, wondering why they're being forced to learn something they know will have no value to them in the future, thus losing interest and just mucking
about for an hour, creating an impossible learning environment for anyone in the class who might have a flicker of interest.
So what % are actually learning this language in our schools? Under 1%, so much so that you could call it 0%. How can anyone justify something in our education system that so few are actually learning?
Nobody who wants to visit Wales needs to learn it, nobody born here needs to learn it. Stop teaching it, stop wasting paint on signs. Those who want to pat themselves on the back and be 'proud' and have an ' identity' will continue to speak it and teach their children, and live in their happy bubble. It will then eventually die gracefully rather than exist as an obscene waste of valuable resources that this country has. |
Another completely ignorant attitude - the numbers are falling so let's all turn our backs on centuries of historic culture.
Welsh is a very valuable language within Wales. Most young people in Schools today won't leave and live outside Wales, so there is definitely value in learning it. Speaking Welsh will benefit your chances of getting a job in certain industries, so why not make an effort.
Where do you get your facts about learning Welsh in schools or have I missed your point?
Just because Welsh isn't a part of your life, it's unforgivable to wish the death of it. | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 14:43 - Jan 18 with 1351 views | DafyddHuw |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 13:18 - Jan 18 by perchrockjack |
jack y jac. Wrong
Please read and try to take a subjective view.
My mum,a sandfields girl, used to collect her mum from Fleet ST and walk up to the market for lavabread and cockles before home games and we d have them with bacon. I hated it
It was not the fault of the welsh speaking Penclawdd women flogging them but my mum didn't like the language as she thought it sounded awful.
Her shout. She didn't like Spanish, Italian or French either but she was a good woman and I loved her. She spoke no Welsh and was as proud to be a sandfields girl and a Swansea woman.
Those days, most of our support was from Swansea people alone ,who also didn't speak Welsh.
Ive heard announcements in Welsh ,at the Vetch , made in Welsh ,be groaned at.
Note, we re discussing a language here not individuals so why do you ALL immediately turn defensive and act like pre pubescent kids .
Its not important.
Jobs, Health, Hope are and they are not language based.
Get it?
Didn't think you would |
Perch - you're a tedious twát and no mistake. |  | | |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 14:52 - Jan 18 with 1346 views | Jack_Kass |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 14:18 - Jan 18 by Jack_y_Jwc |
Another completely ignorant attitude - the numbers are falling so let's all turn our backs on centuries of historic culture.
Welsh is a very valuable language within Wales. Most young people in Schools today won't leave and live outside Wales, so there is definitely value in learning it. Speaking Welsh will benefit your chances of getting a job in certain industries, so why not make an effort.
Where do you get your facts about learning Welsh in schools or have I missed your point?
Just because Welsh isn't a part of your life, it's unforgivable to wish the death of it. |
No, the ignorant attitude comes from those who don't (or refuse) to understand the world outside the Welsh bubble, and how it is developing, at a detriment to those in our education system. Culture evolves and is at the mercy of future generation, we cannot simply hang on to reciting poems at the Eisteddfod and old welsh folk songs as a means to how the country should shape itself, and prepare the next generation to be an asset in the world.
You sum it up well, Wales is an incredibly insular country, most people who are born here, will not leave, and spend their whole lives here, and many people's grandparents never left at all, be it may just on holiday, let alone to work, and integrate into another culture.
You're right that they won't leave Wales, the question has to be why? Because they are not prepared to be an asset in the global job market. They are not taught a language where they can go and integrate into another culture, they are 'taught' the minority second language of their culture, and left to be sitting ducks when those from other countries, come over to compete for jobs.
Not one person from another country needs to learn Welsh to come here, so it has no export value at all. So if nobody needs to learn it to live here, and nobody from outside needs to learn it to come and live here, then please tell me what the value is? So we can sing 'Calon Lan' and correctly pronounce Owain Glyndwr?
You don't need to learn Welsh to get a job here and earn money, you don't need it to speak to your GP/Doctor, you don't need it to integrate yourself into society, you don't need it for anything other than standing tall, sticking your chest out and saying proudly, 'I was born here, Cymru am byth'.
I'm not wishing the death, but it needs to be taken out of schools and left to do what happens to most minority speaking languages, which is to become a footnote on historical artefacts for future generations. | |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 15:11 - Jan 18 with 1322 views | treboethjack |
To be narrow minded is a terrible thing. I was taught Welsh in School along with French and Spanish, I am also dyslexic which let me tell you did not makes things easy! Not once in my life do I feel it has held me back and that is coming from someone who regularly travels outside of Wales for work purposes.
Sorry to say but for those thinking it holds children back and are using a very weak reason to fight their corner. To be bilingual is something to be proud of regardless of language. |  |
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| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 15:16 - Jan 18 with 1316 views | Jack_Kass |
| Pleasant experience in Swansea Market today. on 15:11 - Jan 18 by treboethjack |
To be narrow minded is a terrible thing. I was taught Welsh in School along with French and Spanish, I am also dyslexic which let me tell you did not makes things easy! Not once in my life do I feel it has held me back and that is coming from someone who regularly travels outside of Wales for work purposes.
Sorry to say but for those thinking it holds children back and are using a very weak reason to fight their corner. To be bilingual is something to be proud of regardless of language. |
Good for you, you're a wonderful example of the skills that we should be developing in our education system.
Being bilingual is incredibly valuable , but the sad fact is that not many people that enter the schooling system in Wales with one language (monolingual), will then leave with the skills that being Bilingual brings. Most will leave with the same amount of languages that they entered with, be that solely English, or English and the Welsh they already knew from home, thus not learning anything! | |
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